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Topic: Morality without god
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 243 of 1221 (681183)
11-23-2012 3:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 242 by Straggler
11-23-2012 3:17 PM
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Re: X Wthout God
Learn to read YOUR posts.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 245 of 1221 (681186)
11-23-2012 3:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 244 by Straggler
11-23-2012 3:30 PM
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Re: X Wthout God
Which of course is NOT the post I was replying to. See Message 240.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 247 of 1221 (681188)
11-23-2012 3:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 246 by Phat
11-23-2012 3:48 PM
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Re: X Wthout God
Phat writes: Jar too is guilty of indifference towards the Biblical God, going so far as to say that humans should correct said character whenever He(She(It) makes a mistake. That is not what jar says, it is what the Bible says.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 249 of 1221 (681195)
11-23-2012 4:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 248 by Phat
11-23-2012 4:08 PM
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Re: Morality is impossible without communion
I wont disagree, except to say that you as well as I have His Spirit within us, operating in communion with our own Spirit and need to recognize that we don't ultimately define God...we are defined by God through His Holy Spirit.(Of course, this is probably biased propaganda to one who believes themselves to be the ultimate judge and authority.) How do you tell what is this so called spirit? What does "we are defined by God through His Holy Spirit" even mean? What does any of that have to do with morality?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 251 of 1221 (681200)
11-23-2012 4:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 250 by Phat
11-23-2012 4:55 PM
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Re: Morality is impossible without communion
HUH? So an atheist that hears no voice but does what is right is ...?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 260 of 1221 (681274)
11-24-2012 8:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 254 by Phat
11-23-2012 11:21 PM
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Re: Even sheep that think they walk independantly have a shepherd
You dont need to believe that the shepherd is leading you in order to be led by the shepherd. HUH?
You simply have to do what you know internally is right. Note what you said; "do what YOU know internally is right."
You may think its your conscience but it is His voice. And the evidence to support that assertion? When your conscience tells you to kill gays or destroy the Great Satan it is his voice?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 279 of 1221 (682141)
11-30-2012 7:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 277 by Dogmafood
11-30-2012 7:28 AM
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Re: Selflessness Test
What I have said and maintain is that at the root of all action is some self serving motivation. I understand that you have made that claim but how can you support that assertion in all cases?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Selflessness Test
In your scenario, that individual would not be contributing to the propagation of the altruistic gene, but if the other 9 out of 10 people that have it are then it could still get selected for. In that example it would seem that Natural Selection is filtering out altruism then?
Maybe we need a new law regarding service in the military or fire departments or police; no man or woman can serve in the military, police or in fire departments until they have produced at least an heir and a spare.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Morality for all not just some
Too funny. You never have read the Bible, have you? According to the Bible God does not have infinite knowledge.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Man decides morality, not God
I'm sorry but you continue to deny what has been shown to you. According to the Bible, man has the same knowledge of right and wrong that God has, and the Bible says that man is as moral, often more moral than God. Man decides what is right or wrong, what is moral or immoral, and through consensus reach a position that becomes the standard for the society and era. It really is that simple. No God needed.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 418 of 1221 (683901)
12-14-2012 12:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 417 by Straggler
12-14-2012 12:17 PM
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Re: Homo-empathicus
Do genes think and make decisions?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 420 of 1221 (683903)
12-14-2012 12:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 419 by Straggler
12-14-2012 12:22 PM
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Re: Homo-empathicus
Then how do genes make decisions affecting behavior in a given situation?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 422 of 1221 (683905)
12-14-2012 12:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 421 by Straggler
12-14-2012 12:28 PM
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Re: Homo-empathicus
That is the claim but I see little or no support for that position.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 424 of 1221 (683907)
12-14-2012 12:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 423 by Straggler
12-14-2012 12:31 PM
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Re: Homo-empathicus
Personal experiences, teaching, training, ...
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 427 of 1221 (683911)
12-14-2012 12:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 425 by Straggler
12-14-2012 12:44 PM
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Re: Homo-empathicus
I'm not at all sure strong is a valid word when it comes to actions. Yes there is a genetic component to eye color, height, sex, hair color, premature balding ...but I see far less evidence for any genetic component when it comes to morality or taste or love or beauty or other things where an individual makes a decision on actions in a specific incident.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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