Morality without god

Morals are about making rules that limit the freedom of one's behavior to the effect that it can not hurt others since the Social Contract made between people found what is a Society formed together by them.Morals are a general principle between the members agreeing to live beneficially together, that they will stop behavior that hurts others because such behavior tends to divide the group trying to live beneficially together.Laws seem to arise because some people don't get that message.

Its not the right word.Social responsibilty it the better terminology.The Social Contract is an agreement between peoples to live together for mutual benefits and protection.Hence, the responsibility to individually protect others at some point is inherent in the very basis for putting up with eachother.Military service is an example of this Social Responsibility that once was clearly understood as necessary to defend the group.
But action which hurt the group are immoral as is inaction which allows harm to come to members of the group.This Group Theory which Nash mathematically showed to be superior to individually going it alone.
Hence we see here the idea of what Morals means emerging pretty much as live thy neighbor as thyself.

sez you.What I see is that any human behavior that threatens the long term survival of the species mut bestopped or we shall become extinct.If the religious forces in society that temper sexual behavior with the rules of marirage and social responsibility to the family is allowed to disappear and be replaced with sexual promiscuity as a way of life, mankind is as threatened in the long run as if confronted by an enemy army.Islam today is responding in exactly the fashion as the Hebrew patriarchs did in 1362BC.What we read in the OT is that this was the very first time that a saving force of sexual prudence rose to denounce the behavior of the Gentile nations that ignored this essential rule for survival of the fittest.I see what Moses did as the first step toward human salvation, and what Jesus did as the second.

Of course it is.Morality is about limiting behavior so that destructive behaviors are eliminated from a Society contracting amongst it members to live together beneficially.Today, the Global Village has force us all to either live together or die together.The evidence is now clear.
Sexual promiscuity destroys the very foundation of civilized societies by breaking down the Family unit.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

What is so difficult to understand about morality and immorality?Its about behavior and the restrictions that are imposed upon people because their actions will hurt other innocent people.
Its about a boundary on freedom of actions that is based upon recognizing consequnces that harm one's self or others, or about inaction that allows harm to come to others.The foundation for recognizing these boundaries is implicit in the Social Contract which is based on the assumption that living together with others is for the mutual good of thye members so doing.Prisons are a place where society sends people who insist on behaving in ways that hurt others.

[q]KOFH:
The Gentiles worship Baal, the Phallus.
God tells these Hebrews to treat them like a plague.Taq and "we who think like him:"
We happen to think that freedom of religion is the moral choice, not wiping out entire cultures because they do not worship your god. [/qs]Religion is an Institution, and one of the seven foundational institutions found in every society.Once the institution of religion was paganized and based upon myths that idealized types of behavior that could be observed in a society.There Gods of War for soldiers, and Eros for Homosexuals, the Queen of Heaven for mothers, etc.
These all condoned behaviors of their own sort.
Since 32AD, Religion has become known as a monotheistic belief that insists the pagan behaviors are harmful and self destructive.It IS a choice to believe for or against the argument that sexual promiscuity is destructive, but today, the evidnece support the former as the correct view.Note sources after each fact listed below:Statistics on Fatherlessness
CHILDREN NEED BOTH PARENTSIt’s a Fact
Here’s why:63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census).90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.
(Source: Center for Disease Control).80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes. (Source:
Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, pp. 403-26).71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. (Source: National Principals Assoc. Report on the State of High Schools).85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. Of Corrections, 1992).These statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:5 times more likely to commit suicide
32 times more likely to run away
20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
14 times more likely to commit rape
9 times more likely to drop out of high school
20 times more likely to end up in prisonChildren from fatherless homes are*:Children from "fatherless families of single mother" homes are*: 15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
4.6 times more likely to commit suicide
6.6 times more likely to become teenaged mothers
24.3 times more likely to run away
15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions
10.8 times more likely to commit rape
6.6 times more likely to drop out of school
15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenage
73% of adolescent murderers come from mother only homes
6.3 times more likely to be in state operated institutionsDaughters who live in mother only homes are 92% more likely to divorce**

... and how do we get married today?We promote a culture where marriage is unacceptable until a couple can afford the rent and cost of a family which is now @age 26.This means that the Institution of Matrimony is no longer concerned with providing a Socially acceptable way for young people to express the god-given hormonal instincts.Then we provide the sexually stimulating culture that suggests promiscuity is fun and adult, sure to entice the adolescents into recreational sex for 14 years, while we pretend either they are smart enough to get away with it, or worthy of the priesthood for abstaining for 14 years.Then when the babies come, which marriage was supposed to accommodated, we kill the baby or pay welfare mothers to raise the criminal element and otherwise abused half of the next population of the nation.

Yeah,...Arkansas is a perfect example of how the Single Mother Family is the norm now, instead of marriage and shame on the illegitimacy that is both a $1 Billion dollar expense to America now and a breeding ground for every social problem in the Nation.The present process of tribute to the large and ever growing barbarians within is a time bomb as it was for ancient Rome. Thery are approaching a point where half of the families are welfare fatherless Single Mother entities as the red on the map tells you.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

I get U.The attitudes are factual.
The way people perceive Reality is fixed and will not change as the Fundamentalists on the one side hold to what they say and these atheists progreesive liberal defend their twisted ideas about whether morals actually exist or are just man made ideas that restrain behavior for no reason at all.Those opinions are facts.

You got me there.
I'm none too good in the Humanities, but then you liberals who are most all in that College aren't so good with numbers, either.The map I gave you says in the legend that 22.5% of the kids in Arkansas lived in fatherless families in 2000AD.THAT was 12 years ago.True to my comment, that Arkansas was headed towards 50%, in 2010, the last census shows a 50% increase of Single Mothers raising bastards which means two years ago 36.2% were living without an authoritative figure in the home.Another increase, at that rate, will mean more than half Arkansas will be rasied on Welfare.

I thought you were saying that pople have perceptions that ar thei basis for Attitudes.Attitudes are idea which doi not change, acording to psychology.So, I said that I understood you to mean that: one of the facts of Reality (and Reality consists of whatever IS factual), is that societies have social forces based upon Group Mentalies which tend to be real and fixed and related to what they they beiele is moral behavoior.No?
You meant something else??Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

This observation seems very important.It has been a function of evolution, that our species has been collecting an storing information about our relationships with each other, developing concepts which become part of an Unconscious body of information about what seems like instinctual behaviors for our species.
Emotions tells us that we need each other dearly, because our mourning and crying is uncontrollable and emotionally sourced way deeper than our Conscious mind can fathom.This is why the basis in every culture for a moral foot-hold on our behavior has been the Golden Rule, albeit, formed in the institution of their beliefs, religion, which infers they did so because of faith, without evidence, just knowingly and instinctively, unconsciously.Matt. 5:44: (New Testament)
But I say unto you, Do Love your enemies,(1) Lev. 19:18 (Torah)
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.(2) Judaiam: (Talmud; Shab. 31a)
"What is hateful to thee, do not unto thy fellow man: this is the whole Law; the rest is mere commentary" (Hillel said)(3) Islam: (Sunnah)
No one of you is believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.(4) Brahmanism: (Mahabharata 5:1517)
This is the sum of duty: Do naught unto others which would cause pain if done to you.(5) Buddhism: (Udana-Varga 5;18)
Hurt not others in ways you yourself would find hurtful.(6) Confusianism: (Analects 15:23)
Surely it is the maxim of loving-kindness:
Do not unto others what you would not have them do unto you.(7) Taoism: Tai Shang Kan Ying Pien
Regard your neighbor's gain as your gain and your neighbors loss as your loss.(8) Zoroastrianism: (Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5)
That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself.That Jesus added the pro-active command to start doing so is not to the contrary, that we KNOW from phylogentic sources that may pre-date even our own soecies that we are Social Animals, and ought even lay down our lives for the good of the community we live with.Bravery, duty, heroes, and self sacrifice are founded upon this one ancient ingrained Truth,mthat w need each other to survive.
United we stand, divided we fall.That IS The Moral.

Almost doesn't count except in Horseshoes.What example do you refer to here?

Nonsense.That would not apply to any Social Animal where the very existence of the species depends upon each member, over the long range of evolution, work for the greater good of the community, not the selfishness of the individual.Man is a Social Animal dependent upon civilization in order to adapt to the ever changing environment which forces the collective humanity to work together.

There is no species that depends up the survival of its members since they ALL die.Social Animals, however, depended upon the willingness of each individual to put the social community above its own life, stinging enemies that is also suicidal for the bee, for example.It also seems supportive to itice the differentiation wiythin a social society where the Queen is totally dependent upon the Workers doing as they do in order that she be feed.
She, on the other hand, does her specific job that extends the life of the species through reproduction.
The soldiers and the drone are specialized memebrs who can not intercahngeably do the tasks of the other memebrs.Social animals need and totally depend upon one another for survival.