Morality without god

Thousands Enslaved by Ireland's Catholic ChurchWait for it...wait...

The truth is sometimes kind. In this case, it is not. Whether you try to shrug it off or ignore it, it still remains the truth.

Damn teh mackerel snappers!! The Protestant forefathers would only stand for it if it were from divine inspiration.

I should have questioned Coragyps' example. Apparently he's referring to a decision made not by God but by the Israelites themselves which commentators judge as wrong, but he presented it as God's will.Retch away Coragyps, you have no idea what you are talking about. David Guzik Commentary on Judges 21

I assume you are waiting for me to affirm what I already said, that we are not discussing criminal kidnapping but culturally sanctioned slavery, and that the Roman Church is a criminal organization.

I think what he was waiting for was the "The Roman Catholic Church is not a true Crhsitan church, though some Catholics are likely true Christians themselves. Rome is demonically inspired."Otherwise known as the No True Scotsman.I think what you provided was close enough to give Theodoric the point.

For me, it is really a simple concept. We judge for ourselves whether or not the actions or commands of a deity are moral. We are moral agents. It is obvious to me that morality exists independently of any deity or claim of divinity. Or as Euthyphro considered it, the pious is loved by the gods because it is pious.

Absolutely, give him the point.

I wonder if anyone else noticed that the one part of that post that you replied to is the one that is least relevant to discussing the topic. I wrote, at length, an argument supporting moral capability without a god, and you outright ignored it.Did you actually want to discuss "morality without god," Faith?

I answered the part that was the topic of the moment.As for your claim to be more moral than God, humanity was made in God's image and still retains some right moral standards. Some of your moral standards are obviously in tune with the Ten Commandments although you hate them, and those that aren't He will judge in the end.And no, I joined this thread to answer a specific post and I'm not interested in the rest of the discussion.

Indeed I do believe that I'm more moral in both principle and action than the Biblical god.Of course, Hitler was more moral in action. After all, he only caused the deaths of a portion of humanity. the Biblical god did worse.So, you know, that's a pretty low bar to exceed.

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It is said that no one truly knows a nation until one has been inside its jails. A nation should not be judged by how it treats its highest citizens, but its lowest ones.
― Nelson Mandela

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I agree...and I think it's applicable to your god, as well. He should be judged not on the basis of how well he might treat his favored, but on how poorly he will treat those he does not favor. Floods, plagues, and Hells - murder and death and torture for all eternity are the basis for his judgement.I think, if we are to find anyone morally lacking, it should be the one who suggests the usage of such horrific crimes as "right" or "deserved."Else, by comparison, all of humanity are angels.(The irony of that last statement is not lost on me)ABE So...why are you here, if not to discuss the topic? Edited by Rahvin, : No reason given.

Already answered you Rahvin, I came to answer a particular post, and the topic of that post has continued so I continue while it continues. It was quite clear already.Cheers.

But they were awfully short of Christian reasons, weren't they?As one pro-slavery writer put it: The man has a point. Why was there not that "one little precept" somewhere in the Bible that Christian abolitionists could point to? Here's another apologist for slavery: You can see from these quotations that God's complete failure to speak out against slavery was a common talking-point amongst those who defended it. Could he not at least have said somewhere that it was preferable not to own slaves? If not "one little precept", then at least one little hint?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

There it is.You got those goalposts where you want them? Of course not you will just maneuver them around again when it suits your needs.

Euphemisms are great aren't they?- Oni