Morality without god

I have been. Yet I am still perplexed, because I do not believe that you have greater, more detailed knowledge of Irish history than an Irish person.

Messages 781, 807, 809.Concerning the nature of Christianity and Ireland's early Christianity whch was not Romanism.

Faith I don't know if I mentioned that I work as an Art Therapist, my qualification is as a Secondary school teacher I'm quite well versed in Irish History I asure you. Further more what the Hell does St Patrick have to do with this conversation?Secondly i asked for some illustration of how as u put it "God has convinced me that all His judgments are righteous" - I'm not asking u to convince me, not even sticking my fingers in the wounds of Jesus' palm like Thomas would do that for me, but I'm curious to know what lead you to that conclusion

Yes this is standard human-centered rationalism, but Christianity is based on revelation and by God's revelation we understand that human beings are fallen and handicapped by having lost contact with God, therefore by our inability to fully understand His moral law. Depending on our own judgment is guaranteed to lead us astray. Lead us to Hell as well. But He had mercy on us and gave us His word so that we can understand the truth, the true morality and the way of salvation. But it does require giving up trust in ourselves for trust in Him.

Can u answer my question Faith - I thin I've been quite patient with u so far could explain how u know all this to be true? U use the word convinced earlier - that implies some level of evidence

It started back where you said Ireland was going atheist because of the horrors of Catholicism -- the Magdalene laundry scandal just one of many, you could also mention the predation of Irish Catholic children by Roman pedophile priests -- so I said Catholicism isn't Christian so it isn't Christianity the nation is rejecting by rejecting it. Which led me to point out that Ireland was originally not Roman Catholic at all but truly Christian, until Rome conquered the island by the sword, and Patrick is a good example of how Romanism made itself out to be Christian, even co-opting your national saint.If you knew all that, fine, but don't call Catholicism Christian.

I'm sorry if my muddled terminology offended but from this side of the fence you all look quite similar - and most folk over here are slowly growing to rejecting ALL religious claims. Personally i think this is a very good thing

The Bible is sufficient evidence for me. Once you believe the Bible is God's word you know the God who inspired it and you don't judge God. Too many here have the effrontery to judge God by their own fallen intellect and corrupted moral sense -- They have no fear of God which is the beginning of wisdom -- but a believer knows better.

Sad but yes that is the way the whole world is going.But you know what's going to happen? Watch and see. In the place of Christianity you are going to get a resurgence of pagan religions, witchcraft and superstitions, in modern New Age form, with all kinds of supernatural effects, and since all that is perfectly in keeping with the Roman Church, which again, isn't even remotely Christian, don't be surprised to see the Roman Church growing in influence in spite of all your hopeful atheism.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm very happy about it, secular countries tend to do very well and I'd hate my son to live in a religious country.How do u rationalise problems such as those posed by herod/quirinius, and other inaccuracies that make the bible seem man made rather than divinely dictated?

Faith u do have a point about New Age peeking it's head, but i am tackling those too (check out my Facebook if your curious how!)

You need to use the "Reply" button at the bottom right of the post you are answering.Watch and wait, no nation is going to remain "secular" for long.There are no inaccuracies in the Bible, that's all made up by hostile "scholars."

None of which you can support with evidence.Typical.

I don't have a Facebook account and don't want one.

I can't support what? The claim that Catholicism isn't Christian? Oh the evidence is thick, and I've used some of it here. But of course there's no way to deal with denial, which is the usual response to the evidence. Or that Patrick wasn't a Catholic or what? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.