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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Richard Bennett's sources seem to have it sorted out best
He seems not to have any sources. If he did he would present them.
Patrick the indigenous early Briton missionary who planted hundreds of churches in Ireland without Roman influence and Palladius coming along some thirty years later with his Roman message that didn't fit in so he had to leave Find a historian that supports this view and I will look at it. It seems you Bennett is the only person proposing this.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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but assuming the histories I've been aware of
You have not presented any histories that you are aware. People just spouting crap is not a history. Neither you, nor your fave revisionist, Bennett, have presented any sources to back any claim.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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in which he mentions three historians as his sources
Then tell me his sources. I am not going to listen to his crap. Tell me the historians and I will review their work.
Funny you call Bennett a revisionist, when he's in the position Protestants in general are up against in dealing with the history of this sort of thing, having to untangle all the RCC lies and forgeries from the truth.
Delusions and paranoia are signs of some deep issues. Just because he is a protestant does not make everything he claims true or real.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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In other words you and he have no sources. Typical and nor surprising. You will believe anything that is anti-catholic.
I am an atheist , so I don't care on religious grounds, but as I have some training in history and archival science I get incensed when people pervert history in order to back their views. Until you and Bennett can provide actual sources and actual historians that support this crap it is just crap.
I have a long list of online books
Any of them by actual historians?
at my Catholicism blog
Trust me. I ain't ever going to go there.
Theodoric, I'm being honest about all this Your hate colors your ability to see things rationally.
I believe the book I reviewed and I believe Bennett.
Why? Because it confirms your worldview?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Faith provide me with historians names that support your view. I have provided two scholarly works saying that you and Bennett are full of shit. I know this is hard for you to believe but your blog has no authority.
Give me names of historians and their works. I am very willing to prevent dissenting views. There is some historical research in whichI very much taken a dissenting view. This has not been driven by any world view, but solely by the evidence. No I will not go to your blog. If you want to be taken seriously here, present your support here.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Ok curiosity got the best to me and I went to your blog where you claimed there were books listed that supported your arguments about St. Patrick.
Faith it isn't good to lie. There are no books about Patrick at all on your website. But lets look at the books and see if any are even written by historians. FirstRULERS OF EVIL, F Tupper Saussy Not a historian but an artist and musician. NextWashington in the Lap of Rome, J D Fulton Not much about this guy quote:More Self published. 1888 Next Ok this is getting tiring Paul Serup (Who Killed Lincoln) Not a historian. He is an independent researcher". Also, the book is self-published. John Dowling History of RomanismPublished 1871 Not a historian. Alright I have to stop this is too painful.Nothing about Patrick, nothing by any historian. I am dumber for even looking at this sensationalistic garbage. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I wasn't using that list as support for arguments about Patrick.
Well that confirms you have no support for those arguments. If you did you would have presented it.
Paul Serup spent something like twenty years researching his book on Lincoln, Saussy spent ten years on his book. What a waste because they got it all wrong. They manipulated the info in order to try to support their premise. Sort of like a creationist. I suppose you think there is some sort of conspiracy since no real historian supports them.
By the way a historian is somebody who has studied the history of a subject, period. If they provide sources and all those books do, some many pages of sources, that's their credentials.
No. That is why they had to self publish. Though history is one of the soft sciences, there is still a process of peer review for scholarly writings. Publishing companies also try to some extent make sure arguments presented stand up to historical review. None of these do. You obviously have no idea what the word "credentials" means. Your comments are insulting and demeaning to historians that are degreed and have spent years studying the process as well as the subject matter. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Is that self-published?
Yes.Tremont Temple is the Baptist church where he was the pastor. A quick check of some of the other books on my list shows they weren't self-published:
Never claimed that all were. Henry T Hudson's Papal PowerPublished by Trinity Foundation. Basically published by a church. Can find nothing about authors credentials Chiniquy's book was republished by Chick Publications
Enough said. Chick has been publishing lies for years.
THIS IS ALL OFF TOPIC.
I don't think so. I think people are getting a good view of your "christian" morality as opposed to my atheist morality. I find no reason to lie or rely on liars to support my views. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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I looked for that information and couldn't find it and in fact IIRC the address for the publisher was in a different state from his church and I didn't find a name for his church.
Surprising how IIRC is not evidence. I think the problem is that you have no idea how to do even basic research.
Read and weepquote: The Trinity site has: Dr. Henry T. Hudson was born and reared in England and served with the Royal Military Police. He holds diplomas and degrees from Grace Bible College, Malone College, Chicago Graduate School of theology, Kent State University, and American Christian College. Which means nothing. What are the degrees in? It seems he has not written anything that would be remotely scholarly.
Amazon carries twelve books by him. Yes all of them seem to be from vanity press publishers. Can't confirm Whitest Blue publishers as there seems to be nothing about them. But the rest all are. Amazon will sell any book. It is not a mark of quality.
Chick publishes a viewpoint you disagree with, period.
This SPLC lists them as a hate group. Nuff said.
Source Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Bill O'Reilly?
Really? Your claim to fame is that you are more reputable than Bill O'Reilly? Bill is a liar and everyone knows that. Also, pointing out that historians have issues with their research is not in any way an indication that anything you wrote is correct. You sound like a creationist attacking evolution, thinking that attacking evolution in any way gives any support to creationism. Show the errors these historians made. You are making pretty strong assertions, back them up.
My self published book however, was reviewed by this same personnel at Ford’s Theatre National Historic Site and was found to be well documented with footnotes and approved for sale at Ford Theatre’s NPS store, where it is sold today.
Please provide the full review or a link to the review. Their website has nothing and I can not find it for sale on the website. You are making some impressive claims here, I'd like to see some back up. Show us it is for sale at the bookstore.
Ford’s Theatre looked hard to find mistakes in my book and didn’t find any so I look forward to hearing of all the examples you hope to find.
Provide the source that shows this. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
No
I have no desire to contribute anything substantive to a thread you made personal. My response is not to you it is to Paul Serup. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Well he can respond in your thread.
The thread is Paul Serup's thread. I only started it because he doesn't understand how things work on this site.
I am sure he is a smart man, he can figure it out.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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