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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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Faith writes: Depends on whether it's Constitutionally okay for Obama to have been born in Kenya of a Kenyan father .. So now, after bald face lies that you know the Constitution and know who is and who is not eligible, you're saying it "depends". Ok, I'll bite -- what does it depend on Ms Constitutional expert? And remember, your god is watching to make sure what you say it true. JB
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Faith jibbers on:
Depends on whether it's Constitutionally okay for Obama to have been born in Kenya Aside from the fact that both Obama and Cruz are qualified to be POTUS, along with even the Panamanian born McCain, the mere fact that you believe Obama was born in Kenya is very disturbing. It aint true, never was true and never will be true. YOU APPARENTLY WISH IT DESPERATELY WAS TRUE. You are so sadly stuck up in your head.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Faith writes: It's not hard to fake documentary evidence of many kinds. But the evidence that the Hawaiian evidence is faked is mostly in the very good evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. Well, I know how scrupulous you are at verifying that your evidence is absolutely true, and not faked. All of his republican opponents must have been paid off handsomely, to not spend the past 6+years in non-stop Congressional hearings to oust him from office. Oh, and the Supreme Court have all been paid off, too. You know what will probably happen, don't you? He will have his presidency taken away sometime in the future, just like it happens to athletes, sometimes years later, when the authorities find out they cheated. Boy, now that would be a first! Years after Obama is out of office, to have the Presidency taken away from him. Of course, if he has a time machine he can rig things so it will not happen. It just isn't fair.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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But being born in Kenya of a Kenyan father does disqualify Obama from the Presidency and you are all lying about that.
And you wonder why people call you a liar?Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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The evidence for Kenya is very good.
We mathematicians might say that is vacuously true. There isn't any evidence for a Kenya birth. None at all. So if you describe every bit of that evidence as good, you are not saying anything false. That's what it means to say that it is vacuously true.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
It's not hard to fake documentary evidence of many kinds. But the evidence that the Hawaiian evidence is faked is mostly in the very good evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. His grandmother's testimony that she was there at his birth among other Kenyan sources; news reporters presenting his Kenyan birth as fact; the identification of Obama as having been born there in a statement by his literary agent in 1991, and many other statements of the same sort before he became a candidate fior the Presidency --- and the rush to get rid of all that previous evidence at that point sure does suggest that being born of a Kenyan father in Kenya does disqualify him, even in the eyes of some of his supporters. Again, you guys really need to get your stories together. And the mailman who was told by Mary Ayers that they were helping a "foreign student." And that's just a few bits of evidence I found.
Religious faith = complete gullibility. It is a total surrender of one's mind to the cult leader.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Religious faith = complete gullibility. It is a total surrender of one's mind to the cult leader. Akshully it's been so long since I thought about all this I'd forgotten the evidence and only went looking for it because of how you all slander those who believe O was born in Kenya. The blatant denial of that very good evidence sure says a lot about the cultic mentality of the deniers though.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
If it's true then there's no problem with Ted Cruz's candidacy so why is anyone making an issue of that?
I'm making an issue of it in order to gauge your level of hypocrisy. Cruz was born under the same circumstances as those that you claim for Obama, yet I don't see you declaring he's ineligible for office. Clearly Cruz being a US citizen by birth qualifies as a natural born citizen as does president Obama.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I refuse to answer about Cruz because I have not yet thought about anything to do with his candidacy. Your transparent attempt to hang hypocrisy on me is reprehensible but par for the course here. The "tu quoque" mentality here is in general reprehensible. You can't discuss Obama without accusing the opposition. But in doing so you inadvertently confess that Obama is guilty as charged. Funny how that works. I'm still waiting for you all to come out with a Position Statement you all agree on.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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I refuse to answer about Cruz because I have not yet thought about anything to do with his candidacy. What's there to think about? of the two politicians we've been discussing one was born in a foreign country to a US citizen mother and a foreign national father, the other is President Obama.
I'm still waiting for you all to come out with a Position Statement you all agree on. The position seems to be: Given that he was born in america President Obama is a natural born american citizen, and that even if he wasn't born in america he is a natural born american citizen by virtue of his mother's US citizenship. edited to add:
Your transparent attempt to hang hypocrisy on me is reprehensible but par for the course here if you're giving Cruz a pass for the same thing you're villifying Obama for then you're a hypocrite. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined:
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...being born in Kenya of a Kenyan father does disqualify Obama ... Just checking, but you do understand that Obama's mother still had to be there, ....right?
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5
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nwr writes: Religious faith = complete gullibility. It is a total surrender of one's mind to the cult leader. After you divorce one belief from evidence, the sky's the limit. For example, you could believe the GOP politicians who have decided they are the populist champions who will reverse the Obama-caused wealth inequality in the U.S. I suppose his opposition to more tax breaks for the wealthy prevents higher incomes from trickling down to working people. An evidence-divorcee might not even smile when Ted Cruz compares himself to Galileo, and his opponents on climate change to flat-earthers who refuse to follow the evidence. According to him, there has been no warming for 17 years. Trust him: he says one of his parents was a scientist. Partly it's the big lie effect, but mostly this credulity reflects a large segment of the U.S. population that doesn't know what evidence is, doesn't care about it when they do know, and become even more hidebound in their beliefs when contravening evidence is presented. You have to hope to outnumber and outlast these folks. They won 't change. Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The position seems to be: Given that he was born in america President Obama is a natural born american citizen, and that even if he wasn't born in america he is a natural born american citizen by virtue of his mother's US citizenship. Ha ha. Right. So now explain why it's so evil for the "birthers" to claim he was born in Kenya? Just agree with them instead of calling them names. Nope, clearly there IS a problem with his having been born in Kenya of a Kenyan father. Gosh I wish I had some potato chips.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
if you're giving Cruz a pass for the same thing you're villifying Obama for then you're a hypocrite. I'm not giving Cruz a pass. That's all made up to throw at me. I've said NOTHING about Cruz, haven't thought about Cruz at all. Hint: I put the Constitution above anybody. So when it's clear what the Constitution REALLY says, which so far has been far far far from clarified among the Obama fans on this thread, then you can figure out what I think of Cruz's candidacy.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: So now explain why it's so evil for the "birthers" to claim he was born in Kenya? Just agree with them instead of calling them names. Nope, clearly there IS a problem with his having been born in Kenya of a Kenyan father. Mostly because they are simply liars making shit up and making up totally irrelevant shit at that. That is the typical behavior of the carny conmen and their palm the pea while attention is misdirected tactics. It's irrelevant since Obama is clearly Constitutionally eligible to be President but Ted Cruz is still simply a hypocritical willfully ignorant idiot who's sole goal is to work to destroy the US.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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