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Author Topic:   Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it
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Message 677 of 1939 (754749)
03-31-2015 12:00 PM
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03-31-2015 11:55 AM


Extinction evidence big joke
Not that I care much, but it is bad form to give a link instead of your own summary of the evidence you claim it provides.
But all I had to do is skim the page to see that your "extinction" is completely an artifact of the Geo Time Scale, as I already said, a pathetic joke, a tragic joke on humanity really.

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Message 680 of 1939 (754752)
03-31-2015 12:04 PM
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03-31-2015 12:02 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Sure, maybe they had some smoke in the atmosphere. Maybe. Ice age going full tilt though, probably made a difference. Must learn to think in context rather than the assumptions of contemporary experience.

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Message 681 of 1939 (754753)
03-31-2015 12:06 PM
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03-31-2015 12:03 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
You can only extrapolate from modern experience, which probably doesn't apply to the different conditions of the immediate post-Flood world. In other words all YOU have is coulda-wouldas and far less plausible ones than I have.
Ice age.
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Message 683 of 1939 (754755)
03-31-2015 12:10 PM
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03-31-2015 12:06 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Even if it took a few hundred or a thousand years to cool off completely there was nobody in Siberia during that period and India would only have been beginning to be populated, probably nowhere near the Deccan traps.

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Message 684 of 1939 (754756)
03-31-2015 12:14 PM
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03-31-2015 12:06 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Again your "evidence" is a lot of mental manipulation based on the silly idea that the strata represent time periods and that their fossil contents tell you what was living in such and such a time. That is a patheticaly ridiculous idea of evidence.
But I apologize if I misread you about underwater basalt. So maybe there was some underwater basalt? The "last phase of the Flood" was when the water was receding, volcanism may or may not have been under water.

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Message 686 of 1939 (754759)
03-31-2015 12:35 PM
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03-31-2015 12:03 PM


Extinction fantasy
Here's from the Wikipedia article on extinctions that you linked:
Although there are 10—14 million species of life currently on the Earth,[2] more than 99 percent of all species that ever lived on the planet are estimated to be extinct.[3][4][5]
Golly gee, the Flood did do what it was supposed to do, didn't it?
Extinction occurs at an uneven rate. Based on the fossil record, the background rate of extinctions on Earth is about two to five taxonomic families of marine invertebrates and vertebrates every million years. Marine fossils are mostly used to measure extinction rates because of their superior fossil record and stratigraphic range compared to land organisms.
The fossil record is the record of what the Flood killed. How sad that the human race is fed this line of bull from "science."
Since life began on Earth, several major mass extinctions have significantly exceeded the background extinction rate. The most recent, the Cretaceous—Paleogene extinction event, which occurred approximately 66 million years ago (Ma), was a large-scale mass extinction of animal and plant species in a geologically short period of time. In the past 540 million years there have been five major events when over 50% of animal species died. Mass extinctions seem to be a Phanerozoic phenomenon, with extinction rates low before large complex organisms aros
Sad. Pathetic. You invent time periods for the strata and think you can tell by the dead things in them what lived during your imaginary time periods, but what the fossils REALLY should tell you is how amazingly diverse living things were before the Flood.
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Message 687 of 1939 (754760)
03-31-2015 12:38 PM
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03-31-2015 12:26 PM


southern hemisphere
Sorry to slight the southern hemisphere which of course was also affected by the ice age. But the examples of volcanism I'm responding to happen to be in the northern hemisphere. They probably contributed to the development of the ice age too. Anyway, feel free to offer info on the southern part of the planet.

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Message 692 of 1939 (754767)
03-31-2015 12:58 PM
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03-31-2015 12:46 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Again, based on actual evidence as opposed to fantasy, no one had to be near to have been affected; the die offs during the same periods as the events listed were world wide and not just local
All based on the bogus evidence of the false interpretation of the strata and their fossil contents. Of course those show worldwide effects, they represent what died in the worldwide Flood, not in the volcanism that came after the Flood, by which time all the strata were laid down and all the dead things in the fossil record thoroughly dead. Such a JOKE to peer into one of the strata and make claims about what supposedly happened during a mythical time period assigned to that block of rock. Like reading tea leaves.

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Message 693 of 1939 (754768)
03-31-2015 1:00 PM
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03-31-2015 12:57 PM


Re: Extinction fantasy
Nope. The Ark was specifically intended to prevent extinctions.
Nope, the ark preserved a few of the species (really, varieties or races) out of the huge array then living, and those few, plus whatever happened to survive in the ocean, are the source of everything living today.
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Message 699 of 1939 (754774)
03-31-2015 1:17 PM
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03-31-2015 12:48 PM


Re: southern hemisphere
Sure. There's no geological or archaeological evidence in South Africa for an ice-age 4 000 to 5 000 years ago. None.
Oh I'm sure you're surrounded by it and only need to recognize what is actually there, same with the evidence for the Flood. Such evidence would be for instance the massive fossil cemetery of the Karoo. If only it wasn't all tied up in Old Earthisms. Get those OE glasses off your nose and you might see some amazing things you never dreamed of before.

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Message 700 of 1939 (754775)
03-31-2015 1:28 PM
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03-31-2015 1:12 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Are you claiming that the critters actually found are not the critters actually found?
Oh they're all there, only all of them from Precambrian to Holocene all lived together before the Flood and all died in that Flood and got buried in their own burial levels.
If either of the Biblical flood actually happened would it not have killed what the stories say it killed? How did the magic flood keep from depositing any humans or lions or tigers or bears or bunnies or ohmys?
Well, those were all buried in the uppermost strata just before the Flood waters receded, the water taking a great deal of those layers with it into the ocean, or perhaps into huge rubble piles here and there where anything organic would have rotted away rather than being fossilized. That would be my guess.
What is bogus about claiming that what is actually found in reality is what is actually there in reality?
You mean the fossils? But they ARE there in reality. It's what they represent that's in question. They all died in the Flood, all from Precambrian to Holocene, rather than in separate time periods over hundreds of millions of years.
What is bogus in pointing out that humans or lions or tigers or bears or bunnies or ohmys never show up in those layers when in fact humans or lions or tigers or bears or bunnies or ohmys never show up in those levels?
I think I explained this pretty well above. Look at that cross section of the Grand Canyon - Grand Staircase area for instance. The Holocene or supposedly most "recent" era is the least represented, the most eroded away. Those creatures would be in Holocene strata or possibly layers above it that no longer exist at all. If there isn't much of it left then it all washed away and buried the creatures wwithin under circumstances that would not permit fossilization. The strata are nicely designed to fossilize, having originally been wet and then having been compressed under other strata for a few thousand years, but piles of rubble would not encourage fossilization.

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Message 704 of 1939 (754779)
03-31-2015 1:35 PM
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03-31-2015 1:29 PM


Re: southern hemisphere
I haven't spent a lot of time on the Karoo but have the impression there are no mammals represented there or some reptilian type mammals or something like that.. Perhaps what I just wrote in Message 700 about the general lack of mammals and humans in the fossil record also applies to the Karoo.

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Message 705 of 1939 (754780)
03-31-2015 1:37 PM
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03-31-2015 1:35 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Yet no humans or lions or tigers or bears or bunnies or ohmys get included
Because they would have been buried in the uppermost strata which washed away into the ocean or rubble piles where they all rotted away.

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Message 706 of 1939 (754781)
03-31-2015 1:40 PM
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03-31-2015 1:34 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
So, no humans died in the early phase of the flood, when rainfall was pulverizing the hills and massive slurries of sediment were covering the landscape?
All I know is that the fossil record would put them at the very top where they had least chance of being fossilized.
Okay, so humans could run away, but what about their homes and tools and other artifacts. How did those escape the erosion and inundation?
I'm sure they didn't escape.

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Message 707 of 1939 (754782)
03-31-2015 1:46 PM
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03-31-2015 1:09 PM


Re: Extinction fantasy
Yes, ringo, individual representatives of every living thing. That would be races or varieties, which would leave lots of other races or varieties of the same Species or Kind, while representing that Species or Kind.

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