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Jon Inactive Member
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Terms like 'white privilege' or 'male privilege' are nonsense buzzwords invented by brain-dead sociologists to avoid having to do actual analyses or, even worse, think.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Are you sure of that?
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Jon Inactive Member |
In other words, you haven't a clue.
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Jon Inactive Member |
If folks want to talk about unequal employment opportunities and economic success, then perhaps we should be talking about 'Asian privilege':
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Jon Inactive Member |
I posted the graph not to point out anything 'salient' but to show how meaningless it is using terms like '[insert group name here] privilege'.
Is preferential treatment for white men undoubtedly a reality in certain situations? Of course. Is this sufficient to explain the drastic difference between white and African American performance on many meaningful metrics related to quality of life? Probably not.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
So there's no white male [privilege/advantage] shown in that chart? The chart shows that white males out-earn females from all groups; that Asian males out-earn males and females from all groups; that black females out-earn Hispanic males; etc. The chart shows exactly what it says it shows.
So what's your explanation? A lot of things, many I've mentioned before. For example the traditional system of funding public education perpetuates income disparities by setting up children from poor neighborhoods with poor educations. Love your enemies!
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In a Louisiana parish the powers that be moved a precinct polling place from the fire station in a black neighborhood where it had been for years further out to the Sheriff's Posse Club in the white neighborhood. Can you spell intimidation? That goes both ways. Lot of white folk are scared to go into black neighborhoods. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Looking around to find some different opinions on this, I stumbled on this fellow. I honestly don't even know what to quote, so I'm just gonna link to the whole thing:
Jesse Lee Peterson: "'White Privilege' Is Not What Is Holding Blacks Back Today" from cnsnews.comLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Incorrect. It doesn't mean that at all. But about half the people participating in this thread are telling you that that's exactly what it means to them. When you are framing the discussion in a way that alienates even the people who agree with you, it's time to consider whether that one term is so important or whether it could be done away with to improve the flow of dialogue. Add to this the fact that the term is entirely meaningless, provokes no thought, and solves no problems and it really is a wonder why you're so damn attached to it. Can't you give it up for the sake of getting somewhere?Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
A source for what?
I was just looking around for other opinions.Love your enemies!
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You care so little about the welfare of African Americans that you cannot give up your bimboisms so that you and people who agree with you can stop arguing about terminology and get to the issue of how to solve real problems. While you accuse everyone else of being petty, you yourself refuse to take the high road.
It's clear to me, Rrhain, from your unwillingness to offer any suggestions anywhere (you've had two threads to do as much) that you aren't sincerely interested in improving the welfare of minorities in this country. You are so glued to the term 'white privilege' because you can use it exactly as Tangle accuses you of using it: as an accusatory slur. Going around calling other people racists may help you sleep at night with dreams of holier-than-thou self-righteousness, but it doesn't get African Americans out of prison; it doesn't keep bullets out of bodies; it doesn't put kids in school. I've started a new thread for anyone who honestly cares about this subject:
Improving the Welfare of Minorities - Slogans Not Allowed Real problems need real solutions; not you and your white bashing.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Whatever, Rrhain. If all you care about is uncovering imaginary racism in everyone who disagrees with you, then there's little reason for us to continue with this topic.
I have another thread; anyone who actually cares about other people is free to jump in and offer some suggestions for making things better.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Because, e.g., SAT tests structurally favor whites.
quote: And you didn't have to walk the streets at night fearing you'd be shot to death.
By the police.
Who are supposed to protect U.S. citizens but instead often choose to execute young black men in extrajudicial fashion. Some people will believe anything they're told. Instead of trying to kill us with laughter, why don't you just investigate your silliness before posting about it? If you did, you'd see that on an interaction-by-interaction basis, it is white people who are more likely to be shot by police; and that by and large the biggest group killing young black men is other young black men.
You have an emotional bias towards not believing in your white privilege. A bit insecure, if you ask me. There was nothing emotional there. In fact, I only see emotion coming from folks like you who insist on finding 'racism' everywhere it may not exist just to assuage their white guilt.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
First, you're failing to cite any source. Second, you're failing to define a vague phrase: "interaction-by-interaction basis." Third, I'm wondering what part of the following you don't understand:
The actually relevant thing we need to look at is percentages based on demographic size. From the Bureau of Justice Statistics, "Arrest-Related Deaths, 2003 - 2009": - Whites accounted for 42% of reported arrest-related deaths. And whites make up 63% of the U.S. population. - Blacks accounted for 32% of arrest-related deaths. Blacks make up 12.3% of the U.S. population. - 20% were Hispanic. Hispanics make up 17% of the U.S. population. There is only one group in the above with a population percentage that's higher than the proportion of arrest-related deaths. Guess which one. And those are the relevant statistics. Once again, you aren't addressing the empirical evidence that's presented. The evidence you presented is stupid. It's nothing but cherry-picked numbers judged against irrelevant scales (percentage of U.S. population? WTF? Do you realize that only matters if we think police should be going around shooting people at random and for no cause?). This is really simple stuff, but your dogged determination to soothe your white guilt is blinding you to other-wise obvious facts.
quote: Not that it matters one way or the other, because being killed by a police officer, especially for a law-abiding citizen, is far more rare than being killed by a criminal, and amongst black people those criminals are typically black. So any black person walking down the street fearing for his life at the hands of police is delusionally paranoid, and likely just another victim of the fearmongering tactics of the mainstream media (which exists to make money, not actually inform people; and fear sells).
That Asian-Americans score, on average, higher on the SAT does not in any way suggest that there is no structural bias in the test that favors whites. To argue otherwise would be to commit a pretty rudimentary slip in logic. Then what is that bias? And how does it 'structurally favor whites'? Really it's just a test. Anyone can do well or poor on it regardless the color of their skin.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
1. What I am establishing is that blacks are statistically more likely to be in an arrest-related death than whites. And what you're establishing is irrelevant without looking further into the situations that lead to those arrests or how many arrests there are. You can't use a calculator to find racism.
You've got a lot of work to do here, Jon, to show that this data is more relevant than the data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. There's nothing to refute except the conclusions your drawing from the data. The BJS information is fine; it is you who are cherry-picking it and ignoring other relevant factors to get it to conform to your narrative of "racism keeping the black man down". If you bothered to look at the information, you'd see the numbers are almost identical. It's the conclusions that differ. And they differ precisely because one conclusion includes all relevant information (overall arrest rates and circumstances of the arrest) while the other ignores as much of it as possible to focus on a single, not-so-interesting difference that alone tells us nothing in hopes of winning the 'spot the bigot' game and being awarded the Clear Your White Guilt prize.
This isn't just about state-protected murder of black lives by police officers tainted with racist biases. This is one piece in a much larger puzzle, where the whole system (justice, educational, financial, etc.) is institutionally rigged against blacks and African-Americans and has, for decades, worked in the favor of whites. Do you have any evidence of that? Or just a selective list of lame calculator tricks?
It's largely the way SAT questions are chosen. The questions are primarily chosen based on the performance of whites, not blacks or Chicanos or Asians. This is because whites make up the largest demographic of SAT test-takers. See Kidder and Rosner (2002; How the SAT Creates Built-In Headwinds) for evidence to that end. The result is that blacks perform poorer on a test that structurally advantages whites because of a flawed design methodology. There is no fundamental difference between white people and black people. You do know that, right? Love your enemies!
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