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Author | Topic: Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Dredge says: "the theory that all life shares a common ancestor (ie, evolution)."
vimesey writes:
Please describe the general theory of evolution without referring to common descent. That is not the theory of evolution. As you have been told many, many times before. Equivocation fallacy. Common descent is not the same thing as a single common ancestor/ The theory of evolution can (and does) refer to common descent of related species without saying there is a single common ancestor, thus Vimsey is correct AND evolution theory talks about common descent. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: The only reason there as been "no effect" is that the ToE is not subject to testing/replication like normal science is. Here are 29+ tests for the Theory of Evolution: 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent Will you now admit that you are wrong?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't read bare links. List the info on the board.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: I don't read bare links. List the info on the board. quote: Evolution has passed that test with flying colors.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Hypothesizing would be a better word. Theorising is not a use! And of course it is useful. For example, if the Theory of Evolution tells us that pigs and humans are related, we could hypothesize that pigs might be a useful source of insulin for diabetics. Would you care to test that hypothesis and get back to us?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
What you consider to be a scientific conclusion is actually an absurd extrapolation - observed small changes mean big changes are possible. This extrapolation was inspired by an hallucination induced by an overdose of peyote that Charles Darwin experienced while in South America. He then used the hallucination as the basis for his first science-fiction novel.
Common descent is a conclusion, not a theory.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes: The Peppered Moth case didn't involve new variations, yet is it described as "evolution"
NoNukes writes:
The truth is, white and black P. Moths have always existed in the same population. Their frequency changes depending on selection pressures. Everyone knows that ... or should.
In this you are just wrong. The peppered moth is one of the relatively small set of cases where both the specific mutation, and the date of its appearance are supported by scientific evidence. This particular detail has been the source of much discussion in these forums.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Theorising is not a use! ringo writes:
Remove ToE from human consciousness and pigs will still be a useful source of insulin for diabetics. Ditto for every other useful scientific discovery. In other words, the theory of common descent is an irrelevance to applied science.
And of course it is useful. For example, if the Theory of Evolution tells us that pigs and humans are related, we could hypothesize that pigs might be a useful source of insulin for diabetics. Would you care to test that hypothesis and get back to us?
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
[citation required]
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
One, two or ten, the theory that all life on earth evolved from tiny, widdle primordial critters is a theory of common descent. It is most probable that all life on earth has a single common ancestor but it isn't necessary for the ToE that that is true. The most commonly cited other possibility is that there are two; one for bacteria and one for archaea and eukaryotes. It makes no difference at all to the ToE which of those is true or if another version is true. Dredge has spoken.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
You seem to be under the impression that a theory offered to explain a certain obsevation is, in and of itself, useful. Taq writes:
One is forced to conclude that a lot of scientific explanations are completely useless and are an irrelevance to applied science. The theory of Black Holes is useless, for example; likewise the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor (the theory of common descent).
Since the entire purpose of science is to explain observations, it kind of goes without saying. Are you saying that this explanation is not true because it is not "useful" in your estimation?
Of course not. An explanation can be true yet useless to applied science. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Coyote writes:
Acceptance of ToE is directly proportional to the incidence of atheism.
Creationists have been nipping at the heels of the Theory of Evolution for 150 years, all to no effect.But the gyrations they go through and the "silver bullets" that are going to slay evolution (but never do) are sometimes pretty funny.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Acceptance of ToE is directly proportional to the incidence of atheism. So what? Acceptance of creationism is directly related to ignorance.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
Talk Origins describes Universal Common Descent as a "hypothesis". So I was wrong to call it a "theory" - way too generous.
Here are 29+ tests for the Theory of Evolution: 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes: Acceptance of ToE is directly proportional to the incidence of atheism.
Tanypteryx writes:
Having rejected Creation, atheists have no chose but to accept some theory of evolution as a means of explaining the reality of life (as there are no other alternatives). This position requires no evidence at all - except the existence of life. Darwinism is an attempt to provide a scientific explanation for how this this evolution works. So what?The fact that any theory of evolution is utterley useless in any applied scientific sense is irrelevant to it's acceptance - because it's raison d'etre isn't scientific, but philosophical. For this reason, Darwinism can rightly be described as "atheist theology".
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