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Message 161 of 350 (854597)
06-10-2019 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Theodoric
06-10-2019 4:00 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
There were some members of some churches that opposed him, but the majority of the Protestant churches were apostate because of the liberal theology movement in Germany in the 19th century. Tubingen School. Look it up. I don't care what you believe about anything, I'm sick of your mean snark. And I don't care about the definition of gulags versus concentration camps. I know the difference but I'm making comparisons between various ************ fascistic groups. They are all ************, both on the Izquierdo and on the Right. And they all imprison or execute dissenters. I don't know if there were dissenters in the Catholic churches but with the Pope supporting Hitler, who was himself a Catholic, maybe not many if any.

Wow, the Mad Censor doesn't want the word "************" said either. Wow, this is serious censorship of the truth.

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Message 163 of 350 (854604)
06-10-2019 6:21 PM
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06-10-2019 6:11 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
The Pope at the time was even known as "Hitler's Pope." Look it up yourself.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer opposed Hitler and was executed for the attempt to assassinate him. He had friends but I don't know their names.

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Message 175 of 350 (854617)
06-10-2019 9:51 PM
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06-10-2019 8:55 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
I don't HAVE any "anti-Catholicism" that isn't the result of reading things such as that book. When I was reading up on religions back in the eighties, which is what led me finally to becoming a Christian, at first I was certain I was going to become a Catholic. As I kept reading I ran across reasons why I couldn't do that.

You always assume I start out anti-Catholic and look for confirmation. That's not how it works. I LEARNED about the Papacy in the last few decades or so. It was fairly recent that I read what the Reformers said, and they were Catholics after all, most of them priests, and they were the ones who brought about the Protestant Reformationl, BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY FOUND OUT about the Pope and the teachings of the RCC that contradict the Bible.

They certainly didn't start out with objections to the Pope. Luther assumed that the Pope would support his theses against the corruptions in the RC Church, and was astonished when he didn't and instead excommunicated him. As he continued to study the Bible, as well as the teachings of the RC Church and the history of the papacy he eventually came to the conclusion that the papal system is the antichrist. So did other Reformers. They didn't start out anti-Catholic, they were educated into it.

Same with me. The big problem I see these days is that there are a lot of Protestants who haven't yet seen how the papacy is the antichrist and the doctrines of the RCC are not Christian but pagan.

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Message 176 of 350 (854618)
06-10-2019 9:52 PM
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06-10-2019 9:38 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
Did you run across the information about how the Pope formed the "rat llnes" by which Nazis escaped to South America after the war?

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Message 177 of 350 (854619)
06-10-2019 10:13 PM
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06-10-2019 9:18 PM


Papal errors
Where was god? My come away emotion from that experience helped fortify my atheist views.

In my opinion it's better to be an atheist than a Roman Catholic which is basically paganism anyway.

Recent Popes put "Mary" in the place of God, pray to her, worship her, pay attention to the communications they get from those apparitions seen here and there by children over the last century or so. Demonic apparitions impersonating "Mary." But even if they were in fact the real Mary worshiping and praying to her is blasphemy. She's a human being, not God. We are only to worship God.

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Message 180 of 350 (854624)
06-10-2019 11:29 PM
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06-10-2019 10:47 PM


The WWII Catholic Ratlines
Wikipedia on WWII Ratlines

Ratlines comprised a system of escape routes for Nazis and other fascists fleeing Europe at the end of World War II. These escape routes mainly led toward havens in Latin America, particularly Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Colombia,[1] Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico, Guatemala, Ecuador, and Bolivia, as well as the USA and Switzerland. There were two primary routes: the first went from Germany to Spain, then Argentina; the second from Germany to Rome to Genoa, then South America. The two routes developed independently but eventually came together to collaborate.[2] The ratlines were supported by clergy of the Catholic Church, and historian Michael Phayer claims this was supported by the Holy See.[3][4]

The role of the Pope is minimized here, but I've seen other accounts that give him a big role.

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Message 182 of 350 (854644)
06-11-2019 10:12 AM
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06-11-2019 8:13 AM


Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
The link I posted here goes to a truncated Wikipedia page instead of the one I intended to link, but that page is still available if you put "Ratlines" in Google and then scroll to the first Wikipedia entry that has the same address as the one linked here. That's the complete page I linked and there are two footnotes to Phayer. The second goes to a page in a book, and if you scroll down a few paragraphs you'll find a reference to a document in the Argentine archives reporting that the Pope was behind the Ratlines. But it's secondhand information so you can ignore it, which I'm sure you have every desire to do.

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Message 185 of 350 (854665)
06-11-2019 2:00 PM
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06-11-2019 12:13 PM


Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
Here's the link to the book:

https://books.google.com/books?id=UR3mDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA64#v=...


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Message 187 of 350 (854669)
06-11-2019 2:13 PM
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06-11-2019 2:11 PM


Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
The link I just posted in Message 185 goes straight to the page in the book.
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Message 188 of 350 (854670)
06-11-2019 2:16 PM
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06-11-2019 12:13 PM


Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
It's footnote #4
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Message 192 of 350 (854701)
06-11-2019 8:36 PM
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06-11-2019 2:50 PM


Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
I did not say the book was by Phayer, it's simply a book that references him, but the mention of a letter in the name of the Pope to the Argentine government asking them to take in Nazis -- which I told you was secondhand information since the original letter wasn't available to the author of the book -- is a very interesting claim it seems to me, suggesting there probably is a real letter behind it. But I knew you wouldn't accept it, as I said when I first brought it up.
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Message 193 of 350 (854706)
06-11-2019 9:05 PM


Some years ago I started a blog to collect information on the Roman Church. I didn't keep it up for long unfortunately but I did make a list of books on the subject that I hoped to read although I only read a few of them. I just looked at that list wondering if any of them cover the Nazi events and I really can't tell. Avro Manhattan's book The Vatican Holocaustis about Croatia, although chapter 14 seems to mention the ratlines, and it strongly implicates the US by the way:

The blog
https://enemyofchrist.blogspot.com/
Avro Manhattan book:
http://www.reformation.org/holocaus.html
Chapter 14 of that book:
http://www.reformation.org/holoc14.html

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Message 196 of 350 (854710)
06-12-2019 12:56 AM
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06-12-2019 12:20 AM


Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
Yes that's the reaction I would think any normal person would have, but at EvC I'm so used to everybody objecting to everything I say I'm astonished anyone sees any of it as I do. Of course as a Protestant I'm suspected of nothing more than an emotional sort of anti-Catholicism, for which any information I muster is nothing more than an empty attempt to justify myself. Never occurs to anybody it's the information that turned me against the Pope in the first place.

Anyway I'm surprised that anyone at all would get the point of anything I say. I don't want to say thanks, I just want to express amazement. You are just as odious to me as everybody else, but at least on this one subject I'm getting a bit of a reprieve. Not thanks, but maybe congratulations for being sane.

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Message 198 of 350 (854713)
06-12-2019 1:49 AM
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06-12-2019 1:33 AM


Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
Righto. Of course I should have known. It doesn't matter that the papal system commits egregious crimes of all sorts, from covering up the sexual crimes committed by their priests because of the unbiblical rule of celibacy, committed murders down the centuries to gain or hold onto political power, murdered tens of millions of Jews, Muslims and true Christians in the name of their phony religion, to protecting the Nazi murderers from prosecution, while Protestantism as an ideology doesn't do anything of the sort, to you it's all the same. Remind me to ignore all seeming agreements from now on.

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Message 202 of 350 (854803)
06-12-2019 11:15 PM
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Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
Protestants are certainly sinful but PROTESTANTISM is not as an institution guilty of some kind of organized sin the way the papacy is.
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