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Theodoric
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Message 64 of 762 (862950)
09-17-2019 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Phat
09-17-2019 12:20 PM


Re: A Kind Society or a Selfish one?
There was no golden age when people were less greedy. People are pretty much like they have always been.
Quite frankly I think that people are greedier now and more materialistic, in general.
Affluence ruined a generation of Americans and it reflects in our political attitudes and division.
If you want to back this with data or a coherent argument, I am willing to listen. Till then it means nothing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 73 of 762 (863035)
09-18-2019 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Hyroglyphx
09-18-2019 6:20 PM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
WIC is for women with young children, TANF is only available for families and for a limited period of time. Some states limit it to 12 months lifetime. Neither gives enough for a family to survive.
Section 8 is housing, the vouchers are extremely hard to get in most places. Nothing to do with food.
In most states in order to receive SNAP benefits there is a 20 hour a week work requirement. It is very hard to hold a job when you are homeless and mentally ill. Even then SNAP benefits are extremely minimal.
Medicare has nothing to do with food. I am not sure how you think medicare helps out a hungry person.
EBT food stamps is the same as SNAP, see above.
Your middle class, white privilege is showing.
Starvation is rare but malnutrition is endemic among the poor and working poor of this country.
So if somebody wants free food then they just want free food. Its not a matter of life or death.
Have you ever experienced actual hunger? Have you seen the results of malnutrition? Its costs are much higher than if we just fed people.
OH and you are a self righteous ass.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 77 of 762 (863045)
09-19-2019 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Hyroglyphx
09-19-2019 12:16 AM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
You have no real understanding of how public assistance works or who the vast majority of people on public assistance are. Very few of them are freeholders trying to take advantage of the system.
You speak of this section 8 thing as it is magic free housing. It is way inadequate what it gives in most places and is almost impossible to get in most places.
Go ahead call me a social, justice warrior. I dare you. I wear that with pride. Better than being an self entitled, blame the poor wing nut. Oh yeah your alt-right creds are showing again.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 78 of 762 (863046)
09-19-2019 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Hyroglyphx
09-19-2019 12:19 AM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
Corporate welfare subsidizes social programs?
I am not surprised that you do not get the point of his comment.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 88 of 762 (863160)
09-21-2019 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Faith
09-21-2019 2:08 PM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
including Border Patrol who say it will help them enormously
Source please.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 97 of 762 (863170)
09-21-2019 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Faith
09-21-2019 4:30 PM


Re: the wall is simply stupid!
Seeking asylum is legal.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 100 of 762 (863173)
09-21-2019 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Theodoric
09-21-2019 4:39 PM


Re: the wall is simply stupid!
Seeking asylum is always legal. It may not be granted, but seeking and applying for asylum is always legal.
There are US and international laws and procedures. The US government is now in violation of US and international law.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 104 of 762 (863177)
09-21-2019 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Faith
09-21-2019 5:24 PM


Re: the wall is simply stupid!
No. Again and repeatedly no. Only after due process and review of the court can that be determined.
That is like saying someone can be determined to be guilty of murder without going through the court system.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 110 of 762 (863183)
09-21-2019 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
09-21-2019 6:11 PM


Re: the wall is simply stupid!
That is what a civilized country does. If you do not like then try to have the laws changed.
The Constitution applies to all people in the USA, citizen or not. We even apply due process to you racists.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 111 of 762 (863184)
09-21-2019 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
09-21-2019 6:11 PM


Re: the wall is simply stupid!
We ought to be able to judge which foreigners deserve our consideration and which don't without a court procedure.
If not the courts, who would make this determination? Some random person? Do you realize how anti-american your comment is? If that is what you want you need to move to a nondemocratic country. Russia is a perfect place for you. Well other than the orthodox thing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 112 of 762 (863185)
09-21-2019 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Faith
09-21-2019 6:50 PM


Re: the wall is simply stupid!
Provide the evidence. Assertions don't mean shit. If you don't provide evidence I will assume you are lying. Again.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 128 of 762 (863208)
09-22-2019 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
09-22-2019 6:42 AM


Re: the wall is simply stupid!
It is not a law. It is the U.S. Constitution. Why are you so unAmerican? Why do you hate our Constitution so much?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 129 of 762 (863209)
09-22-2019 1:39 PM
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09-22-2019 6:42 AM


Re: the wall is simply stupid!
Double post
Edited by Theodoric, : Reason above

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 194 of 762 (863322)
09-24-2019 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Faith
09-24-2019 8:07 AM


Re: the wall is simply stupid!
Also, according to the law you cannot apply for asylum until you are in the USA.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 215 of 762 (863394)
09-25-2019 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Hyroglyphx
09-25-2019 1:53 AM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
The overwhelming case is abuse, which is a real shame considering there are still millions who actually do need a legitimate helping hand.
Your source does not support your assertions. The source actually expresses the need for these programs.
quote:
Although a $1 trillion a year budget may seem large at first glance, the current welfare program consisting of 79 separate programs supporting 21 percent of Americans puts the large problem of poverty into perspective. Without any government safety nets, those living in poverty would not have the proper help to survive or tools to get back on their feet.
Sounds about as ferocious as a tampon commercial.
I see you are burnishing your alt-right credentials with flippant misogyny.
You'd rather have everyone be poor so we can all eat a shit sandwich equally. I understand.
Aw now the strawman and misrepresentations. You must be proud of yourself.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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