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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I wouldn't call it a "command". It's just what you must do to be saved.
ringo always tells me that ganging up on the rich won't work and that Jesus commands us to give to the least of these no matter what... Phat writes:
That's pretty much what the situation was when Jesus was around. The "middle class" is a relatively modern invention. Which then leaves us with a few very wealthy people and everyone else lumped in one group. Which I disagree with."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's not a solution. The problem is not that we don't want to hear what you say. The problem is that what you say is wrong and needs to be corrected. Very simple solution: Don't read my postsw."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
NOT everyone is called to give all that they have. Think about it. If everyone in America gave "all that they had" their kids would be unable to attend college. There would be no automobile sales...nor many other consumer goods. Nobody would have anything beyond a small social security stipend to retire on. Don't you see the obvious social ramifications? Or do you revel in your preconceived utopian dream of socialism?
It's just what you must do to be saved. Zacheus the tax collector willingly gave half and was not reprimanded. The rich young ruler was one person given one specific command. it is not automatic for all of us except symbolically--that yes, we are to give up what holds us back. One cant very well help give out spare change if they have no house themselves and if they have no money.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You think about it. Jesus said it was what you must do to be saved. If you don't want to be saved, you can be as grabby as you like. Think about it. If everyone in America gave "all that they had" their kids would be unable to attend college.... The early Church did it. They didn't become poor, as in your warped version. They owned what they needed in common. Instead of twenty people owning twenty lawnmowers, all of which were idle 90 per cent of the time, they owned one lawnmower together.
Phat writes:
That's what I have.
Nobody would have anything beyond a small social security stipend to retire on Phat writes:
People not going hungry? Yes, I can see that.
Don't you see the obvious social ramifications? Phat writes:
I've never called it Utopian. I have pointed out that it's what Jesus wanted.
Or do you revel in your preconceived utopian dream of socialism? Phat writes:
As I said, it wasn't a command; it was what he had to do to be saved. Why would the requirement for salvation be different for different people? The rich young ruler was one person given one specific command."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: because people are different. My friend is in ministry to help the homeless. He is the cook at a soup kitchen in a street ministry. He is nearly homeless himself, living in one room with his older mother. But he is 40, and strong and healthy. I am 60, have Type II Diabetes, Sleep apnea, and diabetic complications. Were I in his position I likely would never have been able to have this eye operation, would be blind, and likely to lose my feet. Thus I need a place to stay. I too live in a one-bedroom apartment. Nothing fancy, but it is necessary for my survival, as is my job. Why would the requirement for salvation be different for different people?That's what I have I too would have the same thing. My basic point is that God (or Jesus) would never call on anyone to be homeless unless He had a specific mission for them, such as he did the Disciples. Not everyone is called to leave everything they have behind and go trotting around the country like a vagabond. Even you have the shelter of the local library in which to spend your days, and home to sleep in at night. Would you give up your home?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Christians often scoff at the idea of relative morality. Do you really want to go with a doctrine of relative salvation?
ringo writes:
because people are different. Why would the requirement for salvation be different for different people? Phat writes:
I never said they were. The members of the early church believed they were called to hold what they needed in common and give the rest to the poor - i.e. they were called to embrace socialism. Not everyone is called to leave everything they have behind and go trotting around the country like a vagabond."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: Point taken. Socialism wont work though without accepting the messenger. Secular Humanism is bankrupt in regards to advancing humanity. Humanity needs a Savior. The members of the early church believed they were called to hold what they needed in common and give the rest to the poor - i.e. they were called to embrace socialism.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Secular Humanism is bankrupt in regards to advancing humanity. Humanity needs a Savior. What does the evidence show Phat? Is there any evidence any God has ever been a Savior?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I would argue that there is evidence that Jesus Christ has been and continues to be a Savior. Our next step is to identify what is expected of a Savior.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: At first the title didn't sound valid, but then I read it and now think it gets at the whitehot center of what is wrong in America today, how the ****, the Liberal ****, is acting just **** its models in Marxism, Communism and *********, using intimidation tactics againt ordinary people to shut them up and drive them out of the public square, which is causing conservatives to *** low for fear of what they will do to them. Go to the Reddest states in America and take away everyone's public schools, Social Security, and Medicare. I wonder what they will be saying about socialism after they lose it.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: I would argue that there is evidence that Jesus Christ has been and continues to be a Savior. Evidence Phat; where's the beef?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Are you suggesting that everyone who has changed due to finding salvation was delusional? All of them? Also, have you not seen the influence of Christianity in positively effecting cultural morality? Granted we have had our Andrew Jacksons and Christian nationalism as well... I'm talking about positive changes. Surely the collective voice of changed lives is more compelling than confirmation that they all drank the kool-aid.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I would argue that there is evidence that Jesus Christ has been and continues to be a Savior.
But you have no evidence other than your feelings and what does that actually mean?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Are you suggesting that everyone who has changed due to finding salvation was delusional? No, but then I will say that so far I see no evidence of any behavioral changes in any of them. Also there is ZERO evidence that any of them has ever been saved. It's yet another of those totally meaningless products modern Christianity markets. There is NO evidence that anyone has ever found salvation.
Phat writes: Also, have you not seen the influence of Christianity in positively effecting cultural morality? That one is easy Phat. I have not seen any evidence of Christianity positively effecting cultural morality!
Phat writes: Surely the collective voice of changed lives is more compelling than confirmation that they all drank the kool-aid. No Phat; it is not!
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Thugpreacha writes: Are you suggesting that everyone who has changed due to finding salvation was delusional? All of them? If you think that everyone who believed in Odin and Thor was delusional then yes, all of them.
Also, have you not seen the influence of Christianity in positively effecting cultural morality? I've seen that atheists commit crimes at a lower rate than Christians. Does that count?
Granted we have had our Andrew Jacksons and Christian nationalism as well... I'm talking about positive changes. Sure, let's just consider the positive stuff and skip the negative stuff.
Surely the collective voice of changed lives is more compelling than confirmation that they all drank the kool-aid. What is the ratio of changed lives for the better to changed lives for the worse? --Percy
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