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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Is this question even possible to answer? Do we know enough about Elijah's current state to say whether his return to earth requires resurrection, reincarnation, or something less? If we see Elijah in the future (this is a bad assumption, because I don't know how to identify him), by definition, he "resurrected", but not "reincarnated". There is no reincarnation in Christianity. Otherwise, the doctrine is not Christianity. Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed broken quote
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
I consider myself a Fundamental Christian, yet I believe that Reincarnation is in fact Biblical. Yes, Jesus really did teach Reincarnation. I guess you may mistake "incarnation" as "reincarnation".If you did not, then please tell me one case of reincarnation suggested in the Scripture.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Assume your story is believable. Why should Adam still keep his old name? Don't say you do not know. Because your reincarnation argument leans totally on the name change of Eve.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
The bottom line here is that the only way for Adam and Ishshah's punishment to occur, they had to have been placed into completely different bodies with physiology designed to produce children through conception and birth via the Womb. The idea of reincarnation seems belongs to Buddhism. In Buddhism, the reincarnated life could be anything similar or unsimilar to the earlier life. It is NOT appropriate to use that concept on Christianity. Another fatal problem in your argument is the definition of "death". In Christianity, death is NOT defined as you think. It is not the same as a biological death. Put Adam and Eve aside, do you have another example of "reincarnation" described in the Scripture?
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Thanks much for the elaboration. However, to your disappointment, I only see "resurrection" in your argument, but not "reincarnation".
Reincarnation means I had a previous "human" life.If so, how many times can one "reincarnate"? Nothing wrong with your idea. I just think you used a wrong word, which leads to serious doctrine error.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
The Unsaved get reincarnated back into human form again. Terrible concept.It IS what the Buddhism emphasized. I don't even want you to give me example on this one. It is WRONG. (You may ask me why and we go from there).
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined:
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If everyone received the exact same punishment (i.e. burning forever or annihilation), then there would be no point in judging 'according to their works'. That is true.Just like faithfuls will get different heavenly rewards, unfaithful will also get different degree of punishment. BUT, whatever the reward or punishment is, it will be a one time deal. There is no room to repeat the earthly experience. Do you know there are 18 levels of "hell" in oriental theology? There SHOULD be wide space in between the Heaven and the Lake of Fire, where a lot of unfaithful will go for eternal life. No Reincarnation.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined:
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I'm fairly certain that the reason the Beast and the Dragon have seven heads is because that is how many times they have reincarnated... How many times have YOU reincarnated?One head means ... none? Do you suspect that we have many reincarnated Jews wondering around in our society today? There will be no end to this fictional thought.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
What is the point of adding up every sin if it only takes one sin to be guilty? That would be an incredibly unfair system. Of course there is a critical point to it.If one is not "saved", then the more sinful one is (sinned more times), the more punishment one would get when he is put in "outside of the Heaven" (which includes the Lake of Fire). And remember, this punishment lasts "forever" long. You can carry one small bag to walk 10 miles. But how would you feel if you carry the same bag, or even a smaller bag, but walk 10,000 miles? Does it take "one" sin to be guilty? No. Even a person of "no" sin, he is still guilty. It may not sound right to you, but that is the Christianity, fair or not. Just like the Bible says: are you criticizing God being unfair? Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined:
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1) Why SHOULD there be a wide space? Social distancing? 2) What are the unfaithful guilty of? In your mind, what is the final(or the first) straw that broke the camels back? 3)What is the point of increasing punishment? Is not banishment to outer darkness enough? What possible reason would God have to inflict differing degrees of punishment? 4)What is the difference between reincarnation and redemption in a karmic sense? 5)Is reincarnation in any way similar to rejuvenation? 6) What do you personally believe that you need to have in regards to faith that will keep you in communion and on "the team"? Boy, this looks like a seminary school entrance test.1. The "reason" is very simple: The Heaven has a boundary. Outside the Heaven is not the Heaven. So is the territory for the Lake of Fire. And, there HAS TO BE space in between the two. The Lake of Fire is not going to be in close contact to the Heaven. (that will not be GOOD in the eyes of God) And this is related to your question 3: 3. There are two major places people will go: 1. Heaven; 2. Not Heaven. People in each places WILL receive different prices, rewards, or punishment. That is all the GWH Judgement is about. Otherwise, there is no need for that Judgement. As a consequence, there are better person and less better person, etc. among those who are NOT saved. Not every unfaithful will be ended in the Lake of Fire. I do expect to visit my unsaved friends in the future at places outside the Heaven, but also outside the Lake of Fire. (this understanding is based on the last few chapters of Revelation) I think this is very very significant. We are not satisfied with a one-time only salary raise. We want a compounded salary raise. It does not sound much if I have $10 more than you. But if the inequality is at the forever time scale, then it becomes very very significant. That is why even we are saved, we still want to run toward the goal as hard as we could. This is also related to your question in another post. To be saved is based on faith ONLY. But how glory one will be when we first arrived to the Heaven will, indeed, depend on the work one did on the earth.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
2) What are the unfaithful guilty of? In your mind, what is the final(or the first) straw that broke the camels back? 4)What is the difference between reincarnation and redemption in a karmic sense? 5)Is reincarnation in any way similar to rejuvenation? 6) What do you personally believe that you need to have in regards to faith that will keep you in communion and on "the team"? 2. Everyone is guilty since conception. Evidence: we live in a cursed world.6. As long as people are "saved", there is no need to have the same interpretation on Bible verses. It is quite healthy for every faithful to have a different interpretation in Christian theology. Reincarnation in Buddhism: 4. Reincarnation does not need any redemption. 5. One rejuvenated to the situation of his young (earlier) stage. One reincarnated to a later one with various degree of continuity, consciously or unconsciously.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
WAS, IS NOT, AND YET IS = REINCARNATION NO! It should be: WAS, IS NOT, AND YET IS = INCARNATION
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
How much time you spent to put all these pieces together? Or you just copy other's idea?
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
That's the whole point of critical thinking: to free us from belief and connect us to reality. Critical thinking is limited by logic. There ARE truth beyond logic.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1563 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
The problem with that idea is that the people who believe in "truth beyond logic" can't agree on what that truth is. It does not matter. Scientists rarely agree on new things or new feature. But they know it is something new.
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