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Author Topic:   Where is the Good Non American Music???
nator
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Message 52 of 172 (380554)
01-27-2007 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by joshua221
01-27-2007 1:15 AM


Re: Ok guys
quote:
GO LISTEN TO DANIEL JOHNSTON AND BRIAN WILSON AND ELLIOT SMITH NOW!!

THEY ARE TRUE ARTISTS THEY ARE THE BEST OF OUR CENTURIES, THEY WILL BE REMEMBERED!!


Nah.

Anybody who thinks the Beatles were "unoriginal" simply has appalling taste.

It's hilarious, also, that you rant on and on about the Beatles being "unoriginal" when Eliot Smith covered at least 9 Beatles songs (recorded one) and Daniel Johnston wrote a song called "Beatles" that include the lyrics, "Like a magical fairy tale that's hard to believe/ but it really did happen/Four lads who shook the world/ God Bless them for what they done".

And Brian Wildon greatly admired the Beatles (and vice-versa).

and you do realize that all three of these musicians are literally, as in clinically, mentally ill?

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Message 53 of 172 (380559)
01-27-2007 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
01-26-2007 11:14 PM


Here's some innovative non US groups/artists
Prophex, I included a few clinically insane people in there because you clearly like your musicians to be, shall we say, a few cards short of a full deck.

Peter Gabriel/early Genesis
David Bowie
Joy Division
The Cure
The Clash
Sigur Ros(Icelandic)
The Sugarcubes/Bjork (Iceland)
The Kinks
Neil Young
Radiohead
Arcade Fire
Can (German)
Pink Floyd
Richard Thompson
The Who
U2(Irish)
King Crimson


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nator
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Message 69 of 172 (380785)
01-28-2007 7:59 PM
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01-28-2007 10:54 AM


Prophex likes his musicians crazy
Brian Wilson is mentally ill. He has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and schizoaffective disorder.

Eliott Smith was mentally ill. He was addicted to drugs and alcohol and was clearly clinically depressed.

Daniel Johnston is mentally ill. He has bipolar disorder with psychotic overtones, with a religious obsession.


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nator
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Message 70 of 172 (380786)
01-28-2007 8:02 PM
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01-28-2007 10:53 AM


Re: Ok guys
quote:
yo, the beatles are average joes... these three guys were inspired by their melodies yes, but they are true artists.

So, what do you think these "true artists" would say about The Beatles?


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nator
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Message 71 of 172 (380864)
01-29-2007 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by joshua221
01-28-2007 5:13 PM


just wondering
One thing I am curious about, prophex...

Just what do you mean when you call The Beatles "average joes"?


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nator
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Message 93 of 172 (381212)
01-30-2007 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by joshua221
01-29-2007 9:01 PM


Re: Prophex!
quote:
Wasn't impressed with Rush's lyrics. The music was that of cliche classic rock played on radio stations 24/7.

How is this a criticism?

The reason every classic rock station plays Rush is because they are classic rock.

I can pick out a Rush song instantly, because no other band in the world sounds like them.


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nator
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Message 95 of 172 (381217)
01-30-2007 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by joshua221
01-29-2007 9:16 PM


Re: just wondering
quote:
The Beatles were just ordinary people without "agendas". They were into having fun and writing songs about nothing. They loved music and melody. They lived life for fun and were not in any sense "true artists".

Watch an interview with the Beatles and you see it right away.

Average Joes is the best term I can use to describe them, they were not in any way remarkable. The played good music, but they had nothing in it for anyone. No agendas you know?


I knew it!

I strongly suspected that you were totally into the idea of the "tortured soul" genre of musician, and that the more fucked up and 'pained' a musician is, the more cool you would think they are.

Why is having an agenda other than making good music important for a musician?

Why is it impossible to be a "true artist" if you also "live life for fun"?

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Message 134 of 172 (382485)
02-04-2007 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by joshua221
01-31-2007 3:45 PM


Re: just wondering
Why is it impossible to be a "true artist" if you also "live life for fun"?

quote:
Because intelligent human beings don't "live for fun",

Says who?

You?

"Fun" does not have to equal "frivolous", you know.

According to you, all of your favorite artists were either severely mentally ill or died of drug overdoses or suicide.

quote:
people who change the world don't "live for fun".

Bullshit.

quote:
Those who live fruitful lives are tortured in pursuit of truth, knowledge...

More bullshit.

You really are a remarkable cliche of a teenager, you know.

quote:
"An unexamined life is not worth living" -Plato

Who said anything about an unexamined life?

Clearly, you are convinced that "life is pain" or some dreck like that.

quote:
Life isn't about fun, those guys were average joes.

So, you love playing your instrument and you have a blast making music, but you don't have any fun when you do it.

Got it.

You are the typical miserable middle class teenager, I get it already. You're really deep and sensitive and you are the only one who really understands pain. Gotcha.

quote:
This is the difference between Elliott Smith and The Beatles and Johnston and The Beatles. This separates Soren Kierkegaard from the rest of them...

So, what did Johnston believe about the Beatles, do you think, based upon what he wrote in his song about them?

Why would Eliott Smith cover Beatles songs so many times if he didn't think their stuff was trivial and meaningless?

quote:
The sooner you realize what is the most worthwhile way to live, you will understand what is so special about Kierkegaard and Plato. Elliot Smith and Johnston.

Right.

You are the arbiter of all music and philosophy, just like every other teenager in the world.

Right there with you.

(Of course, Smith and Johnston are both mentally ill.)

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nator
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Message 135 of 172 (382490)
02-04-2007 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by joshua221
01-31-2007 5:14 PM


Re: just wondering
quote:
They were just normal people who did not understand many things about life, whereas Smith and Johnston were far different.

Do you really think that drug abusers and mentally ill people "understand life" better than everyone else?


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nator
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Message 139 of 172 (382718)
02-05-2007 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by joshua221
02-05-2007 1:48 PM


Re: just wondering
Do you really think that drug abusers and mentally ill people "understand life" better than everyone else?

quote:
No but there seems to be a connection between those qualities and those who do "understand life" better than everyone else.

So, in other words, you are saying, "No, except I mean yes."

Wow, you are completely over your head in this thread, aren't you?

quote:
Have you read that poem yet?

Yes.

It's nothing new.

Do you have any idea how many versions of "I'm an artist, nobody understands me, I'm so deep and pained" exist in this world?


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nator
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Message 158 of 172 (383830)
02-09-2007 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by riVeRraT
02-07-2007 4:41 PM


quote:
I was thinking about Canada, but couldn't think of any bands off hand.

Neil Young?

Joni Mitchell?

Sarah McLaughlan?


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nator
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Message 160 of 172 (384063)
02-09-2007 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by joshua221
02-09-2007 9:12 PM


Wait, are you now admitting that you completely dissed the Beatles without having listened to much of their work?

Why do you waste everyone's time, including your own?


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