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PaulK
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Message 272 of 283 (842203)
10-27-2018 5:05 PM
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10-27-2018 5:03 PM


Re: New Footprints ... in the sand ...
If both sides have valid arguments but the YECs have none, what do you mean by both sides?

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Message 273 of 283 (842213)
10-27-2018 8:17 PM
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10-27-2018 4:25 PM


Re: New Footprints ... in the sand ...
They leave wet slicks. That's how footprints get preserved.

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edge
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Message 274 of 283 (842217)
10-27-2018 10:06 PM
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10-27-2018 3:32 PM


Re: New Footprints ... in the sand ...
Funny, it's rock layers that are labeled as time periods in scads of illustrations of the geo column.
Actually, the diagram shows how several different formations were laid down during each time period on the diagram.
In Phat's analogy, it's like the snow from several storms laid down during one winter. Then, you have another winter ...
By the way, your diagram shows 8 different erosional unconformities in the Grand Canyon sequence.

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Message 275 of 283 (842220)
10-28-2018 12:50 AM
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10-27-2018 10:06 PM


Re: New Footprints ... in the sand ...
Yeah, I know edge, I don't see things your way. So what else is new?

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PaulK
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Message 276 of 283 (842223)
10-28-2018 3:37 AM
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10-27-2018 8:17 PM


Re: New Footprints ... in the sand ...
I hope that in future you will stop accusing other people of misreading since your rocks are time periods misreading is the craziest misreading that I have ever seen and you keep on repeating it even after being corrected again and again.
As for something leaving slicks that really doesn’t help you explain how the trackway - or the many other trackways from different periods - fit with the Biblical description of the Flood.
Edited by PaulK, : 1 typo fixed

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Message 277 of 283 (842224)
10-28-2018 3:42 AM
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10-27-2018 5:05 PM


Re: New Footprints ... in the sand ...
Upon further musings, I can only say that the Creationist side has but one argument: That God did it for a mysterious reason. I can't say that this is a valid argument, however.

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Message 278 of 283 (842227)
10-28-2018 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by RAZD
10-27-2018 4:44 PM


Re: New Footprints ... in the sand ...
Come on RAZD; how can either of the imaginary floods detailed in the Bible erase real footprints?

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Message 279 of 283 (842247)
10-28-2018 2:45 PM
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10-27-2018 8:17 PM


Re: New Footprints ... in the sand ...
Faith writes:
They leave wet slicks. That's how footprints get preserved.
That's not how it happens at the beach. We've all seen what really happens to footprints exposed to wave and tide action - so why would you even suggest such a ridiculous scenario?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 280 of 283 (842262)
10-28-2018 4:18 PM
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10-28-2018 2:45 PM


Re: New Footprints ... in the sand ...
Long period of time between waves/tides as Flood rises. This has been argued to death many times before. I haven't changed my mind.

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PaulK
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Message 281 of 283 (842263)
10-28-2018 4:27 PM
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10-28-2018 4:18 PM


Re: New Footprints ... in the sand ...
It may have been argued a lot but we still haven’t seen any reason to think that it’s plausible from either a scriptural or an evidential point of view.
So how long do you have dry land between these conjectured waves? How many times do they need to inundate the land to account for all the fossil footprints?
Then when you’ve dealt with those you can get on to difficult questions like what could possibly cause them and what evidence is there for them aside from your need to explain terrestrial features in the fossil record.

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ringo
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Message 282 of 283 (842265)
10-28-2018 4:35 PM
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10-28-2018 4:18 PM


Re: New Footprints ... in the sand ...
Faith writes:
Long period of time between waves/tides as Flood rises.
Be careful how many made-up, unscriptural waves you try to squeeze into a one-year flood. There are a lot of layers to explain.
Of course, that's an experiment that creationists could do: One tank with waves every few seconds, one tank with two tides per day, one tank with a wave every week, etc. It should be easy enough to figure out what conditions would preserve footprints. Why don't creationistsdo that?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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RAZD
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Message 283 of 283 (860959)
08-14-2019 1:40 PM


Information, Geologic Column
There is a very interesting and information filled pdf graphic at Geologic Time Line of the Grand Canyon:
This graphic shows information on paleogeography, sea levels, rocks, tectonism, magmatism, and life. +There is a geological column in the center with additional detail v other columns that have been posted.
What this shows is the order that everything occurred in the Grand Canyon area (including the staircase).
There is also a lot of back-up text there too, from the U of Arizona. The second page has a cross section of the Canyon.
Enjoy
Edited by RAZD, : .

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