Fresh Problem with the Ark

Just a passing though, don't see a problem with freshwater, if it was raining down, it was raining freshwater, and granted is was also raining down sediments from the fountains of the deep, however in a water plant sediments settle out quite quickly with iron and aluminum ions, which the basalt sediments would of been quite high in, so over the continents the fresh rain water would of rose upward over the continents, with the sediments settling and the dead animals of the dry land, and some not of the dry land, settling within the settling sediments, however, the waters just below the wave base would of been fresh waters over the continents, meaning as the waves over the continents mixed the surface waters with the waters under the wave base, it was mixing freshwaters, and actually causing the iron, aluminum ions to flocculate the sediments to clear the turbities, over the oceans the salty waters under the wave base would of been constantly mixing with the fresh waters raining down, the solution to pollution being diluton, meaning the great salinity factors of the ocean itself preserved the ocean fisheries, In fact after the flood was over, it mentions a wind blowing across the face of the earth, this would of insured the oceans salinity mixed, as the freshwater rushed off the continents, preserving the salinity requirements for the ocean fisheries, and over the continents keeping the waters from becoming stagnant, for all the creatures surviving on the living islands of refuge of life of trees and other floating debris, until they came to rest and these creatures ventured out from their island of life to reseed the earth, etc...The bible kind of says that the creatures of the dry land (the fowl, the cattle and the creeping things), were preserved by Noah, don't see no mention, to him preserving the fishes, platapus, beavers, perhaps they survived on these floating islands of debris, with the penquins, seals, snakes, some or all reptiles, some if not all the water insects, larvae hatching, would think Noah might of preserved the bee's, and some of the other insects, of the various kinds, etc...It all gives more room on the ark, etc...I'm only saying freshwater wouldn't of been a problem, for it was freshwater that rained down from the heavens, and the basalt sediments would of been high in iron, aluminum, settling out turbidities, as they rained down upon the earth, etc...P.S. The bible said all the creatures of the dry land perished, but a muskrat, beaver, platapus, otters, walrus, seals, dolphins, whales, etc... would not of been a creature of the dry land, the fish provided shelter under these islands of debris, and all the larvae hatching out on these island preserving the insects, that perished from the flood, being hatched out on these islands of life as trees reseeded, grass reseeded, as these island settled out as the waters rushed off the surface of the earth, etc...kjv Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died.

If you want to believe all the creatures including the whales were on the ark, then you are not in line with the bible, it says all the creatures that was in the dry land perished, it says that both man, cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowls of the heaven were destroyed from the earth, how you make this include the fishes, or the creatures of the waters is beyond me, etc...P.S. It says the waters were abated after 150 days, the mountain tops were only covered by 15 cubits of water, so as soon as the waters started to flow off the earth, these mountains would of been exposed much sooner than the 150 days, however, I thought that today, water plants do use iron to settle out turbidities, the erupting basalts would of been ground into your clays, it would of been primarily the iron that would of cleared the turbidities, granted oxygen has long since converted them to oxides, all the other minerals in the sediments ground into fine sediments by the cavitation processes explained by Walt Brown in his hydroplate theory, these other minerals would of only helped the flocculation processes aiding sedimentation, when the waters cooled they came back as fresh water, the wind would of provided the mixing so the sediments would of settled quickly, just as what happens in water sedimentation tanks, over the oceans salt waters specific gravity would of been mixing continually with the waters raining down upon the earth, these salts would of helped settling rates too, but over the oceans it would of preserved the salt water fisheries, however, the waters over the continents wouldn't of had the salt water, primarily because the specific gravity of salts would of caused them to settle to the bottom of the freshwaters over the continents, but because the oceans would of been salty, the waves themselves mixed the salty waters, even today they believe the solution to pollution is dilution, you could take all the landfills in the entire world, and dump them in the middle of the ocean, and not see an increase in the mineral concentrations of the ocean, such is the power of dilution, the salts of the ocean preserved the salinity of the oceans, but over the continents you had the reversal, happening, freshwater under the wave base, as freshwater begets freshwater, you didn't have salty water under the wave base over the continents water rising upwards, etc...The bible says the water came from the fountains of the deep and the windows of heaven, which were opened, I was just explaining how easily the freshwater and saltwater fisheries survived, by natural processes seen in the natural even today, etc...

I kind of hear you, water prevailed upon the earth 150 days, not that Mt. Everest was that tall, at this point of the earths history, so its kind of hard to believe creatues could of survived on floating debris, cattle, birds, creeping things, but seals, fish, otters, walrus, whales, dolphins, fish, snakes, were all creatures not of the dry land, it says in kjv genesis 7:22 of all that was in the dry land died, and all were destroyed that was upon the face of the ground, but save Noah and the creatures on the ark, but creatures not of the dry land, seemed to be excluded from the creatures of the ark, depending on how you interprete it, because the trees were floating above the surface of the earth, there seeds were not destroyed (buried in the sediments covering the surface of the earth), the grasses growing in the dirt of the debris, as even nurtured by the sediments building up on the floating mats, as it rained for 40 days then it appears the waters remained over the surface of the earth, until God caused the oceans to settle, and the mountains to rise, kjv psalm 104:6-9.P.S. The cavitation forces of the waters erupting out of the earth's fountains of the deep, would of reduced the basalt to powder, and flocculation in a sedimentation tank, settle out as the particles clump together, basalt would of been high in iron, not to mention limestone found all around the world, and heavier particles would of settled without floccualtion and the lime and iron would of settled out the silt like particles, though if the basalt and the granites were reduced to sedimentary rock, they would of had a greater specific gravity, aided with flocculative forces, would of settled like a rock, etc...It does appear you understand the process of rain being fresh water, and the vastness of the surface of the earth, that the waters would of remained fresh over the continents, and remained salty over the oceans, given Noahs ark came to rest by the bible accounts in the mountains of Ararat, Noah never was without fresh water, if he had water storage tank, and that it rained after the ark came to rest on the mountains of ararat, this is how people used to get their water, water running from gutters to cisterns, rain water filling storage tanks, Noah never was without freshwater, etc...

Asgara, This psalm is about the biblical flood, how it covered the earth as a garment, but that God set up a bound that it would never again turn again and cover the entire earth, because he created a place for the waters, even today, you have evidence of the biblical flood, the oceans themselves testify, there is more than enough waters to cover the earth, over a half mile in depth in water if it was a smooth sphere, but God promised it would never again happen, gave us the rainbow of this covenant to man, and the creatures of the earth, as he caused the oceans to sink, at the thunder of his command, the waters went to the place he founded for them, so the water would not turn again to cover the earth.P.S. I think it was Walt Brown that quoted this psalm, it does kinda support his hydroplate theory, but then we all agree the mountains are still rising a bit, and the oceans settling a bit, the Pacific seamounts are still over a half mile under the waters, supporting the oceans settled, and the flood waters covered them, as the flood waters rushed past the mountains, confirming the biblical accuracy of kjv Psalm 104:8.

Coragyps, The rattlesnakes were not a creeping creature, where I come from we have snakes, I was told that snakes are quite adept at swimming, like my old swimming hole, they killed the snakes because they said they can swim underwater, they said they had rattles, think they were trying to scare us bit, think they were just pine snakes, but they sure seemed to swim quite well, I think the snakes would of swam quite well in the flood, even rattlesnakes, and have a bit of respect when seeing a snake swimming in the water, even too this day, etc...P.S. Do you have any proof rattlesnakes are unable to swim, if not then they would of swam out the flood, feeding along the way, etc...

Actually I still have a problem with kjv genesis 7:23, just not sure what creatures the bible means when talking about the beast, creeping things, and the fowl, etc...does this includes the swimming creatures, however, its a given the fish, were not included, so whatever creatures were on the ark, to satisfy genesis 7:23 perished on the earth, but there appears its only talking about the living substances on the surface of the earth perished, because it was covered by thousands of feet of sediments, the trees because they floated their life substances wasn't destroyed because they were not on the surface of the earth, by floating on top of the waters, but whatever beast, creeping things, or fowl that were on the ark perished on the earth, which is why they gained passage on the ark, etc...

It says that anything in the earth shall die, kjv genesis 6:17 granted all flesh would be destroyed, but it didn't say they would all die, unless they were in the earth, like what if they were in the waters, otters, seals, walrus, penquins, platapus, guess they would of been exempt, etc...P.S. What I'm trying to say, water creatures were not creatures in the earth, meaning some but not all would of been destroyed, ants would of been creatures in the earth, creeping creatures, a pig would of been a beast of the earth, ground wasps would of been creatures in the earth, bats, and birds would of been fowl of the earth, just see like how all the creatures were destroyed but not all perished, unless they were in the earth, and the creatures that survived on the ark all perished in the earth, the reason they gained passage on the ark, etc...[This message has been edited by whatever, 03-29-2004]

The solution to pollution is dilution, so whatever toxic gases would of dissolved into the atmosphere, the sediments were likely like grains of sand, ash, the waters of the flood it wasn't like a moving stream of water, it was more like a large settling basin, even ash would of settled out, though I've heard the Hunza people drink muddy water flows from the Hunza glacier, and were quite healthy, it was called Hunza water, like why is this water muddy, full of minerals, perhaps its the very waters of the flood frozen in time, to what the waters over the continents were at the time of the flood, they have the longest lifespan on the planet, yet they drink muddied mineral water, etc...P.S. At least were in agreement over the oceans the salinity, the pre-existent flood oceans salinity would of mixed with the rain water preserving the salt water ocean fisheries, the solution to pollution is dilution, etc...The Hunza people are drinking the very mineral waters of the biblical flood, you have fossils that were found quick frozen in the flesh in the glaciers of the mountains of South America, so while all the different kinds of flesh was destroyed, however it says all died that moved upon the earth, that makes it open that not all died that moved upon the waters, etc...