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Topic: If you were God, what kind of God would you be?
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 14 of 247 (519900)
08-18-2009 9:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 13 by Theodoric
08-18-2009 9:24 AM
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Re: If you were God, what kind of God would you be?
Theodoric writes: If you ask a question like that you have to expect a few things.
Apparently, he did expect these answers. He doesn't seem to like them though. Makes you wonder why he would ask this question when he knew what answers he'd be getting and knew he wouldn't like them.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 16 of 247 (519906)
08-18-2009 10:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by kbertsche
08-18-2009 10:07 AM
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Re: If you were God, what kind of God would you be?
kbertsche writes: The classic atheist position is "belief that there is no god."
No, it isn't actually. It's a non-belief in ANY god. Not a belief there is no god.
Since this is a "faith" position, it does not sit well with some atheists.
Of course, non belief is not a faith position.
The atheist position that is touted by some on EvC forum is lack of belief in any god, in particular those who have been proposed by major religions, with the possibility that a different god may exist.
Yes.
So the question of the OP seems reasonable for this sort of atheist. What sort of god could exist in your opinion? What would he/she/it be like?
I wouldn't know, I don't think something like a god can be conceived by any human.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Re: If you were God, what kind of God would you be?
John 10:10 writes: I had no expectations.
Really? So when you wrote:
John 10:10 writes: So far, just as I expected, one personal attack and no serious answers.
It wasn't what you expected? Would you care to explain that one to me?
Most unbelievers this forum are willing to give response after response as to why they reject belief in God and believers are willing to offer reasons why we believe in God, but unbelievers seem to be unwilling to offer serious responses as to what kind of God they would be and what they would do.
That's because we realize we cannot possibly conceive of something like "god". You seem to think you can. So you're god is probably smaller/simpler then the one you're asking us to conceive.
I was genuinely interested in finding out if anyone on this forum "could" take the inquiry seriously, and put some thought into what kind of God they would be and what kind of cosmos they would create if they could be God.
You have my answer, it's basically the same as Theo's. We cannot possibly conceive of something like "god".
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Re: If you were God, what kind of God would you be?
John 10:10 writes: What unbelievers are really saying is that they are UNWILLING to seriously consider what it would be like to be God because they don't want there to be a God, and they don't want to look foolish trying to explain how they could be a better God than the ONE revealed in the Bible.
No. What we're saying is we can't possibly conceive of being omnipotent, omniscient and all that other stuff. Can you? Would you mind explaining then what it's like? Not just what the words mean, we know that, but what it would actually feel like, and how you know it would feel like that? Further, being a "better" god than the one in the bible (who certainly isn't omnipotent, or omniscient) isn't very hard. First of all, I'd make it absolutely clear I exist, and not condemn people to eternal torture just because I wasn't willing to make things clear.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Re: If you were God, what kind of God would you be?
themasterdebator writes: Mike, now you have gone completely off topic from your own OP and started preaching. If you want to create another topic about what Jesus or God did to save us, please do so. If you want us to tell you how we would behave if we were in situations similar to the Christian God, please do so.Remember, most of us don't think of a god solely in Christian terms, so your original question simply had us acting as an omnipotent being. We need some context to answer it. Mike, now you have gone completely off topic from your own OP and started preaching. If you want to create another topic about what Jesus or God did to save us, please do so. If you want us to tell you how we would behave if we were in situations similar to the Christian God, please do so. Remember, most of us don't think of a god solely in Christian terms, so your original question simply had us acting as an omnipotent being. We need some context to answer it.
This isn't Mike's OP, it's John's. But I agree, it's just off topic rambling. 
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Re: If you were God, what kind of God would you be?
mike the wiz writes: I do not believe that morally you think all thieves and murderers should NOT go to jail.
Actually, I do believe that not all murderers or thieves should go to jail. Frankly, if you think they should, I don't think much of your moral system.
Look around yourself - this is man's world and it is completely filled with sin, so do you think you have more understanding, when God's idea was a perfect Eden>?
It's not completely filled with you arbitrary sins. So, yes, we have more understanding than "god".
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Re: Should I Rape Suzy? Part III
Time to pitch in. Yes, rape her. Then ask Jesus to forgive you and all will be alright. That, of course, was a joke (perhaps a poor one). Rape is one of the worst things you can do to a human. It's a despicable act, and utterly morally wrong. Atheist, by the way...
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 151 of 247 (521607)
08-28-2009 8:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 150 by Peg
08-28-2009 8:44 AM
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Re: Rape in the Bible
Peg writes: if you want to know what culture God would give humans, look at Christianity because that is the culture of God.
So, starting long and bloody crusades, torturing people terribly and "touching" altar boys is the culture of god? Really?
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 166 of 247 (521887)
08-30-2009 8:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 165 by Peg
08-30-2009 8:28 AM
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Re: Rape in the Bible
Peg writes: you do realise that the bible is a collection of written accounts about various subjects. Its not only laws that its followers are expected to follow. Some of the stories are recorded to teach what is bad and how God punished the isrealites for their actions...he's not telling us to copy their bad actions.
God is directly telling, nay, commanding, the Israelites to do some despicable things. And yet you're saying this was to later punish them for following his command? What a hypocrite of a deity.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 172 of 247 (521980)
08-31-2009 7:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 171 by Peg
08-31-2009 5:49 AM
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So, you would kill infants?
So, let me get this straight, if god told you to go int a a hospital and murder every single infant there, you would do it, becuase, hey, he's the only one that knows what's right. Me, I'd tell him to suck on it if he ever told me to do that, unlike him, I'm not an immoral bastard. Seiously, Peg, I hope you'll always remain of reasonably sane mind, because you're very dangerous, should you begin to hear voices. And please don't evade the question, answer it with a simple yes or no. If god told you to kill infants, would you do it?
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 176 of 247 (521989)
08-31-2009 9:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 173 by Peg
08-31-2009 8:03 AM
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Re: So, you would kill infants?
Peg writes: of course not
So, god's judgement isn't always right and perfect? Would you mind telling me how we determine when he's right and when he's not? And would that not also make us targets for him to eliminate, since we don't pay him the respect you say he deserves by disobeying his commands?
besides, he'd never ask
Abraham says he would. And unlike you, he was quite willing to go through with it.
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 181 of 247 (522081)
09-01-2009 4:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 178 by lyx2no
08-31-2009 6:55 PM
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Re: Rape in the Bible
I've got an even better one. I rescued a man, from certain death with considerable risk to my own life, yet we prevailed. However, the man gave creadit to god! Should I kill him?
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 188 of 247 (522145)
09-01-2009 12:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 182 by Peg
09-01-2009 5:13 AM
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Re: So, you would kill infants?
Peg writes: The things that happened during Isreals history was for a purpose and once that purpose was realised, wars directed by God could and did cease. Even the OT says that people would have to learn to 'beat their swords into ploughshears and their spears into pruning shears' because God would make wars cease.
I'm not talking about wars though, am I? I am talking about obeying or disobeying a direct command from god. You have said that he must know what he does, since he is perfect, and so when he commands you to kill some infants, you should obey him. Yet you won't. This puzzled me, and so I asked how we are to determine when we are to follow his command and when we aren't.
Abraham was also familiar with Gods promise to provide a ransomer for mankind...perhaps he was seeing the bigger picture.
So...all it takes is for you to be convinced that there will be a future ransomer of mankind, and you'd go on an infant killing spree? Yes or no please. And please, explain why (not).
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 193 of 247 (522384)
09-03-2009 5:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 191 by Peg
09-03-2009 5:08 AM
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Re: Rape in the Bible
Peg writes: i think you've already answered this on my behalf, i need not say anymore.
Sorry, this maybe my fault, but I don't see an answer to my queston in his post. Would you mind providing me with some clarity? Shoiuld we obey every command god gives us? And if not, how do we determine which ones to follow and which not?
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 200 of 247 (522398)
09-03-2009 7:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 195 by Peg
09-03-2009 7:10 AM
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Re: Rape in the Bible
Peg writes: I replied in msg 173 "of course not besides, he'd never ask "
I know. That still leaves the question why you wouldn't obey your god and how we determine if we should obey him or not. Further you seem to be implying you know the mind of your god. That's a mighty high position you put yourself in.
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