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Author Topic:   Atheist evolutionists: How far will you allow yourselves of sexual perversities?
Percy
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Message 54 of 152 (523426)
09-10-2009 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by mike the wiz
09-10-2009 6:51 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
mike the wiz writes:
I think that person you talked about, or a person like that can't have the Holy Spirit. Personally, I just don't see how when all that is revealed is hatred of a certain group, or the use of the bible to only justify his position rather than try and find out what it means.
It was recently pointed out that, you name it, someone has created porn about it. In the same way with the Bible, you name it, someone has used the Bible to justify it. Slavery, rape, murder, lust, all have Biblical justifications.
Some Biblical interpretations are more widely shared than others, but popularity changes over time, and there seems no objective way of determining which interpretations are correct. Bible-based beliefs, indeed religious beliefs of almost any sort, are social/cultural, not objective. This is all just a reflection of the innate nature of man. We are very creative, and we have little trouble inventing justifications for what we want to believe.
One day the charismatic Pentecostal preacher Carlton Pearson received a message from God that the movement had been misinterpreting the Bible, that God's message was actually one of inclusion of all in heaven. A loving God would not condemn to hell all who have not been born again in Christ, and the Bible says this. 1st Timothy 4:9 says, "We have our hope set on the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially those who believe." And 1st John 2:2 says, "Jesus Christ is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world."
Anything you want to believe, support for it can be found in the Bible (and probably in many other very lengthy books), even support for the opposite of one of the foundational beliefs of evangelicalism.
--Percy
PS - Carlton Pearson was declared a heretic.

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Message 58 of 152 (523475)
09-10-2009 3:42 PM


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I wonder what the record length is for a thread where the originator posts just once?
--Percy
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Percy
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Message 60 of 152 (523487)
09-10-2009 4:52 PM
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Percy
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Message 82 of 152 (523905)
09-13-2009 9:11 AM
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09-13-2009 6:34 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
Hi Mike,
I'm sure you didn't intend it this way, but your post highlighted a number of sources of ambiguity and is a strong argument for why there can be no single correct theological interpretation of the Bible.
Religious people of all stripes with mutually exclusive beliefs think they possess the truth. They'll tell you that they have the truth, they'll explain why they have the truth, and they'll argue at length with anyone who thinks they don't have the truth. Obviously they can't all be right, and most likely all are wrong.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 90 of 152 (524239)
09-15-2009 9:04 AM
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09-14-2009 6:18 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
mike the wiz writes:
I'm sure you didn't intend it this way, but your post highlighted a number of sources of ambiguity and is a strong argument for why there can be no single correct theological interpretation of the Bible.
I don't see how. That people come to wrong conclusions, in their various groups, won't get you to that conclusion.
How do you know you don't belong to one of the various groups with incorrect theological interpretations?
How are outsiders supposed to tell which of all the various groups have correct interpretations?
--Percy

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Message 98 of 152 (582315)
09-20-2010 7:25 PM
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09-20-2010 6:41 PM


Re: Well, even atheists set limits to what they can do in sex.
Yrreg writes:
What I read about this forum is that the owner-operator-founder is very tolerant and not quick to ban anyone or suspend anyone from personal pique or vindictive fervor.
Plus I hear he's a total sucker for suck-ups!
That is a sign that they don't really believe in total liberties in sex provided you can get away with it because no one knows about it or at least legally you don't get in trouble with the law.
Apologies for not having read the thread, but what types of sex between consenting adults should be off limits, and why?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 119 of 152 (582516)
09-21-2010 6:33 PM
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09-21-2010 5:50 PM


Re: Well. if you guys atheists have to be defensive with your sex practices, that is...
Yrreg writes:
Well. if you guys atheists have to be defensive with your sex practices, that is fine by me.
Strange, then, that there were no defensive posts. You haven't even told us what you're talking about. What types of sex between consenting adults should be considered perversities and off limits, and why?
--Percy

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