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Izanagi Member (Idle past 3412 days) Posts: 263 Joined:
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 3409 days)  Posts: 428 Joined: |
Absolutely. The 2,000 yr old text says that all things are held together by God's Son, the one who died on the cross and His symbol is connecting every living thing on earth. It's pretty obvious it wasn't coincidental. You feel that way because you do not know the Lord. Had you known Him or seen His power as we Christians have (at least, some of us) then you wouldn't be saying things like that. No matter how Laminin appears though the microscope in its function in living cells it is always diagrammed like this:
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Dr Jack Member (Idle past 301 days)  Posts: 3507 From: Leicester, England Joined:
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What? Are you serious? The electron micrograph is what it actually looks like! All diagrams are just simplified representations.
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SammyJean Member (Idle past 2269 days)  Posts: 87 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined:
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Where in that 2,000 yr old text does it say that the "cross" is his symbol? "Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts." -Albert Einstein "I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief."
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caffeine Member  Posts: 1677 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: Member Rating: 6.2 |
It's a bit of a nitpick, but those aren't pentagrams. They're just pentagons. A pentagram is a five-pointed star, whereas these are just five-sided shapes (in tge diagram, anyway).
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 1297 days)  Posts: 1548 Joined: |
People believe what they want to believe. It is called pareidolia. Look it up. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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Otto Tellick Member (Idle past 526 days)  Posts: 288 From: PA, USA Joined:
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And if you arrange the original Hebrew letters of the Old Testament (which are known to have been meticulously counted and kept track of in every copy ever made) in particular ways and assign numbers to them, you can pick out all sorts of prophetic information that predicts things that have happened between the original writing and the present day. That really is not coincidental either. It's also not valid or sensible, let alone being "predictive" in any plausible or meaningful sense. It's simply a matter of arranging arbitrary symbols into appealing patterns, and then relating particular meanings to those patterns. People do this sort of thing all the time -- it's a natural human trait, involving innate human abilities (pattern recognition, symbolic logic, etc). Astrology is another prime example. I would put your assertion of religious symbolism in cell structure right up there with astrology. Do you believe in astrology? How about reading the future in the entrails of dead animals? (That at least has something of biology in it.) If not, why not? Perhaps because you recognize that such "predictions" are too vague or vacuous or too often wrong to be of any practical use? Asserting the presence of religious symbols in biological structures is on a par with (indistinguishable from) that. Honest.
You started this thread with three "questions about the living cell," requesting both opinion and fact for the answers. Over the course of your subsequent posts here, you have demonstrated that your main interest is not to actually find answers to these questions in any sort of factual manner, but rather to put an end to any attempt to answer them except through the assertion and acceptance of religious dogma. No observational evidence, and no theory based on observation, should be accepted unless it conforms to your doctrine. Even posing more detailed questions is off-limits, if pursuing answers could lead to a threat of transgression. It's not even sufficient in your view that people should simply abandon science and adopt any religious belief of their own choosing (in accordance with the notion of religious freedom -- I assume you must be positively dead-set against any such notion). No, in your view, there can be only one way to refuse to answer these questions, and that is through the acceptance of Your Lord Jesus Christ as our savior -- and on top of that, we'd better interpret the biblical text exactly as you do, or we will never attain the correct avoidance of real answers to these questions. In other words, your agenda here is to promote a specific brand of willful ignorance. Okay, we get that. Now, when are you going to get that trying to promote ignorance in a science forum is really a waste of time? People who have a sincere curiosity about how nature works will not accept "God did it" as an answer, because that really doesn't answer the questions that come up.
I'm sure that must be false. I haven't looked at all the biology books ever published, but surely some of them would make it clear that the diagram you posted has actually put the thing sideways, or possibly upside-down. And since there are so many nice pictures in these threads of yours, I can't resist putting one in. (I shamelessly stole this from http://scienceblogs.co.../my_regrets_on_your_traumatic_b.php -- it just happened to show up today, and seemed especially appropriate for your dogmatic approach to biology... indeed, it strikes me as positively non-coincidental!)
Edited by Otto Tellick, : minor spelling repair autotelic adj. (of an entity or event) having within itself the purpose of its existence or happening.
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greyseal Member (Idle past 2057 days) Posts: 464 Joined:
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a) a sign of god or are you just blowing hot air? I fail to see why christianity - a relatively new interloper on the stage - should be considered the one true religion over the obvious power and might of Zeus and the Caduceus - especially when it looks far more like the Greek one. Anybody care to estimate which legend predates the other? (the Caduceus is at least 2500 years old, so 500 more than the juvenile new testament) Edited by greyseal, : added a date. Edited by greyseal, : stupid formatting error
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 3409 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
But none of those examples were preceded by an ancient text telling mankind that by the God of such symbols 'all things are held together'. Colossians 1: 16-18 preceded the discovery of Laminin by 2,000 yrs.
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 1297 days) Posts: 1548 Joined:
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It says that God not the cross is what holds everything together. This is not an extrapolation of scripture. It is an outright fabrication. God even condemns those who add to or take away from his word.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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SammyJean Member (Idle past 2269 days) Posts: 87 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined: |
Looks like this:
An Ankh, the Ancient Egyptian symbol for life.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 3409 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Nope. You're just stretching things like the others. Besides that, as I have challenged them I challenge you to come up with an ancient text of scripture outside the Bible that teaches that the 'god' they believe in holds all things together and that his symbol is the very thing that does this.
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 1297 days) Posts: 1548 Joined:
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laminin-10 in colon cancer metastasis
Electron microscopic structure of agrin and mapping of its binding site in laminin-1 (which is the journal articlewhere the original pic of laminin = cross came from)
Protein complex (nidogen-laminin) obtained by experimental procedure X-ray (left picture) and predicted with Molfit (right picture).
Only to the scientific illterate and pseudoscientific inclined can you derive that lamininun is a religious icon. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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SammyJean Member (Idle past 2269 days) Posts: 87 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined: |
I'm stretching things? If I'm stretching things it's because I learned it from you, oh master of stretching things! _____________________ You never answered my question here: Message 124 Where in the scripture does it say the the "cross" is gods symbol? "Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts." -Albert Einstein "I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief."
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