RAZD, It doesn't surprise me that you came back with a Mockingbird ditty. Your some piece of work. Let me explain where I'm coming from for you. I could regurgitate and recite from the volumes and volumes of information on the human body. I could go on about the irreducible complexity of the human body and how all the complex systems of the body have to work in harmony to even exist. (all or none) I could go on about the neurological system and the brain. We could talk about how the brain can store between 100 trillion and 280 quintillion bits of information in a mere three pounds of matter. We could talk about how our body is covered with sensory receptors that are constantly sending billions of messages to the brain. We could spend lots of time on how the complexity of merely a single nerve cell challenges the evolutionary theory. (each neuron is more complicated than any present-day computer) Or how bout the fact that every cell contains an estimated one billion compounds. That's as many as 75,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, (75 sextillion) compounds per person-give or take a billion- and among these compounds are approx. five million different kinds of proteins. They all know where to go and how to get there, when to act, how fast to react, and when to stop. We could go on and on about vision, hearing, balance, smell, taste, touch, skin, the endocrine system, the respiratory system, the gastrointestinal system, the circulatory system, the excretory system, and the musculoskeletal system. After talking about all these we would only be scratching the surface of the amazingly genius, incredibly intelligent design of the human body. If you want to believe in all the miracles that would have had to take place for all this to have fallen into perfect symmetrical place without the help of any intelligent guidance actually happened, hey, go right ahead down your little fantasy trail. But I will not entertain your platform of blasphemy and listen to you mock the design of God with your arrogant summations as if you were capable of designing a smarter, more efficient body system! ......Thanks but no thanks, ICDESIGN
......Lets see then, I think I got it. Dumb, blind, non-thinking, non-intelligence produces intelligent design that far surpasses even the most brilliant minds in all of history. Nothing miraculous about that. Darrhh, OK thanks Coyote!......
Re: For the new "ID" people ... a bumpitty bump bump
OK, lets do a little taking off of the gloves then...
If one could imagine making a horizontal slice through a capillary and then magnifying it ten-thousandfold, the view might resemble the most congested street in Bombay at the busiest hour-
yet the carts, cars, trucks, buses, birds, animals, and pedestrians are odd-shaped packages that know where to go and how to get there. A simplified list of passerby at any one moment could include hundreds of white and thousands of red cells, tens of thousands of platelets, millions of oxygen, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen molecules, scores of antibodies to old infections and previous vaccinations, every component of the clotting cascade, anticlotting factors,erythropoietin to simulate red-cell production, iron, calcium, magnesium, manganese, cobalt, chromium, copper, zink, nearly every vitamin, numerous proteins and amino acids, salts like sodium and potassium, ammonia, sugar, insulin, uric acid, liver enzymes, prostate enzymes, cancer markers, genetic markers, thyroid hormone, adrenal hormones, ACTH, TSH, GH, FSH, LH, vasopressin, parathyroid hormones, pancreas enzymes, glucagon, somatostatin, all types of cholesterol, fatty acids, blood pressure-regulating chemicals, muscle enzymes, brain enzymes, hormones that communicate between the stomach and the gall bladder, hormones that communicate between the kidneys and the thirst mechanism, adrenaline, noradrenalin, and albumin. This list is far from complete. Each component is regulated, controlled, and maintained at very specific concentrations. As with an orchestra playing a symphony, every instrument, every note, every pause is perfectly coordinated.
The walls of every blood vessel are lined with millions of biological workers that capture, unload, transport, and modify passerby. There are triangular docks to receive triangular compounds, specific tangled-web ports for specific tangled-web compounds, convoluted ports for convoluted compounds, and electrically charged ports for electrically charged compounds. Some docks are involuted and some protrude. Some have Velcro-like hooks. Some ports are open 24/7, and others only when there's a need. Some items pass through by themselves; others need help.
-HERE IS MY QUESTION FOR YOU-
Evolutionary development would have had to account for each of the circulatory system's characteristics separately AND simultaneously to explain the human species. There could not have been blood vessels without a heart to pump blood or a brain to monitor the heart's work. There could not have been a human being without a circulatory system capable of delivering its goods to every cell. There could not have been blood with out bone marrow to produce it or a spleen to remove aging cells. There could not have been a viable human
(OR INDEED ANY ANIMAL) without a way to deliver cellular waist products to the kidneys. The human species could not exist unless millions of extremely unlikely occurrences came about at exactly the right time and in exactly the right manner!
How do you explain this?
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Every malfunction you mentioned, and in fact every malfunction in the world is a result of the curse God temporarily put on His creation. It is only tempory and will be lifted at the end of the process.
Here, let me put my gloves back on for you Coyote and I'll try not to go over your head again OK? You said you had a total of what, 18 years of education? I made no mention of anything religous. I asked you to explain how one step at a time evolution can account for the system I described. Please review message 77 again and explain the process. I know you think it is a result of evolution, that's a given. I want to hear the scientific process through the stages, step by step of how this could have developed. Come on, give me the empirical evidence your bragging about!!!
"I NEED TO DO BETTER HERE"? You are pathetic. Your so brainwashed all you can do is spew talking points. Were not talking about what I believe right now. Were talking about what YOU believe and why you believe it. We can't move forward if you are to dumb to give me the details I have asked for.
Sir, I am requesting an answer to why message # 77 does not apply to a thread that states "Let's discuss BOTH sides of the Design Controversy". The ID side is that evolution could not have done it and I gave a well thought out argument that supports my view. Why then am I being booted off the thread? Thank you for a response.
RAZD, I don't have all that much to say about silly design but you are silly for coming up with the thread...you silly man you...
Basically I see it this way. Yes, there are some animals and fish and so-forth that have a very unusual look and function. So what? Its not a problem for me to believe in a creative God with so much imagination to express designs 'outside of the box' if you will. Who am I (or anyone else) to criticize the way He chooses to do ANYthing. He is God and we are not. Simple as that.
I am writing this to send when my suspension ends and just saw your last post. First of all, where was anything mentioned about traffic jams? Its plain to see the reference to congestion refers to quantity. When you look further down (as you copied) I said it was an orchestra playing a symphony....perfectly coordinated. The laughable comedy is how you twist the facts of a design operating smooth as silk into a fumble on the scale of a catastrophe.
As far as your unimpressive opinion about the same inlet being used for breathing, eating and talking? I think it was a genius display of design to use one inlet for three purposes. Very smart. I do agree though how laughable it is that people like you can't chew and talk at the same time without spewing food all over the place. Very funny indeed, thanks for pointing that out.Any engineer would agree that using one feature for multiple purposes is smart design. If you would like to show us what your made of and submit your better design proposal,(like two peckers or something) I would be gad to show you the reasons it is inferior to the current design. I would be more than happy in fact. The only thing your Silly Design Theory seems to explain is that how even a man with 3 degrees can end up being brainwashed to the point where he is completely devoid of basic common sense. I want to get some posts under a new topic so I can bring you out from hiding behind all this silliness so you can answer some serious problems with the Theory of Evolution I want to bring to your attention.
And I have one more thing to say about your failed attempt to discredit the intelligent aspect of design. I think you are disingenuous to claim that The Silly Design Theory isn't evolution. Your whole premise is that there isn't an intelligent Designer leaving The Theory of Evolution as the only choice. The least you can do is try to be honest.
....Anyway as far as design flaws go, (not any of the ones you made up) I have said it before and I will say it again. There are flaws that show up throughout all of His creation. The reason for this is due to the curse He put upon His world as a result of man's sin and rebellion. This is a temporary curse that He will remove when the necessary process has been completed.
So, can God be proven in a science lab through a repeatable experiment? Of course not. Can you prove that life began from nothing with a BIG BANG explosion in a science lab through a repeatable experiment. Of course not. Can we look at the evidence and make a reasonable conclusion that at some point in the past it appears their was an explosion that started everything? Most people agree that to be true. People of faith as myself believe that was when God said "LET THERE BE"...... and BANG!! ......no, you enjoy......
Re: Round 2: Neo-Paleyism FAILS to explain all the evidence: Silly Design does.
To be honest with you there RAZD, everything you said is foolishness to me and is a waist of my precious time of which is very limited. I could refute everything you said with half my brain tied behind my back but whats the point? I mean, I don't agree with one thing you said and you disagree with my views. I know I'm not going to reach you with the truth but I can pray God would open your eyes of understanding. I am flabergasted that your degrees are in design. Honestly, I am embarrassed for you. Anyway,the question is what will happen to you when you die RAZD? If the bible is false you have no worries. If it is true, I can promise you your rejection of God won't be viewed as silly.
I may be back in a few days, we'll see. I am extremely busy. IC
Re: Round 3: Neo-Paleyism FAILS to explain anything, declares victory and leaves?
You must have missed designing 101 where you learn their can't be a design without a designer. Lets give you a little test that you should be able to pass with flying colors with your big three degrees in design: Your in a pitch black room with a blindfold on as well. In front of you on the floor is a pile of 10 parts that belong to a silly widget. Along with that is enough nuts and bolts to put it together, however the nuts and bolts are different sizes to accommodate the different sizes of holes on the pieces. Finally, you have a small pile of wrenches and screwdrivers to choose from. How long would you guess it would take you to put the silly widget together and please describe the process you would undergo to accomplish the mission.