God's Place In Evolution

Just as a friendly piece of advice, you need to learn the difference between a well reasoned and logical argument and an assertion. It is not enough to say that an argument is logical and based on reason. You need to actually show the logic and reasoning.For an argument to work people have to agree with the premises. If the premises are under dispute then the argument stops there. Also, the premises have to lead to the conclusion, not be an exact copy of the conclusion. For example, if one of your premises is "If we assume there is a creator . . ." and you are trying to conclude "Therefore, there is a creator" your argument is obviously circular.For this thread in particular, one of the premises seems to be that humans can not invent language without someone first teaching them a language. This premise is under dispute. You must show that humans can not invent a language of their own, otherwise your argument has failed.

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Thanks. You're right, I agree. Great advice. This original post was definately one of those moments where something sounded really good in my head, but a little sketchy on paper, lol, as you and others have pointed out. I originally did not even intend to mean to suggest that humans are incapable of inventing language without someone teaching. I originally had in mind a more subtle approach (which I don't clearly remember now) but it got muddled in my original post. It's a little embarrassing, but I can't even remember where I was going with that now. Maybe I'll remember it later, maybe not. Either way, lesson learned.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix quote box. Final "[/qs]" had been omited. Also get rid of extra line breaks within the quote box.

Really? As a result of to the research I personally have done, I arrived at a different conclusion. I have found the testimony of history and culture to be very convincing that a flood of a global, unforgettable scale happened. In many nations today there are reminders of that destruction. For example, the precise date as recorded in the scriptures "in the 2nd month, on the 17th day of the month" of the ancient calendar corresponds approximately to our present day November 1 (Gen. 7:11).It may not be a coincidence, then, that in many lands, festivals of the dead are celebrated at that time of year. Two celebrations that come to mind are Halloween and Celtic Samhain.Also, practically all ancient people have a legend that their ancestors survived a global flood. To mention a few,African Pygmies, European Celts, South American Incas, peoples of Alaska, Australia, China, India, Lithuania, Mexico, Micronesia, New Zealand, and of North America (Yakima and Choctaw) all share similar flood legends. Even though over time the legends have been embellished, they all share several details in common, indicating a common source narrative: God was angered by mankind's wickedness. He brought a great flood. Mankind as a whole was destroyed. A few righteous ones, however, were preserved. These built a vessel in which humans and animals were saved. In time, birds were sent out to search for dry land. Finally, the vessel came to rest on a mountain. Upon disembarking, the survivors offered a sacrifice.What does this show? The similarities cannot possibly be coincidental. The combined evidence of these legends corroborates the Bible's ancient testimony that all humans descend from the survivors of a flood that destroyed a world of mankind.

The Biblical Flood simply never happened, it does not matter what you or anyone else thinks or believes, it is totally absolutely refuted.Period.No question.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

The genetic information does not show that. There was no genetic bottleneck about 4,350 years ago.The archaeological information also refutes the idea of a global flood about 4,350 years ago.Look at it this way: if there was a global flood at that time, the evidence would be found globally. That means it would be in your back yard. Because of the recent age, 4,350 years ago, you will be dealing with soils rather than geological formations. It is a simple matter to go and check to see if there are either flood sediments or massive erosional features at that time period. You can check your back yard yourself with a little archaeological training or some knowledge of soils.Here are two refutations from my own work:I have tested over 100 prehistoric sites, and in none contained either flood sediments or massive erosional features at that time period. Rather we find continuity of human cultures, fauna and flora, depositional sequences, and mtDNA.In one site we radiocarbon dated a skeleton at 5,300 years ago. The mtDNA from that individual matched that of still living individuals in the same area. If the flood had killed everyone at 4,350 years ago that would not be possible. Further, the mtDNA was one that developed some 20,000 years ago in Beringia (Alaska during the last Ice Age).Archaeologists and soils experts all over the world have found the same thing: no global flood ca. 4,350 years ago.(And no, radiocarbon dating is not in error. Sorry.)

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

But you never did that. Of course; but you're working your way toward 30 posts here now, and no one is even slightly aware of how you have reached your conclusions on the Creator outside of your argument-from-incredulity reasoning.Jon

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That's a no brainer, Taq. Of all of the animal species, none have begun to advance to the level of brain capabilities as humans. The social, cultural, mechanical, industrial and scientific capabilities of humans is unique; immensely greater than that of any of the other species. All other species think and do in a simple and limited framework of capabilities. As Jehovah commanded Adam in the garden to have Dominion over all of the animal kingdom, so it has been throughout history.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

But you have not explained or even indicated why the "logical" explanation for this should involve God doing magic.

Halloween is meant to be a "reminder" of a global flood? Are the pumpkins meant to represent the Ark, or something?If it is meant to be a reminder of a flood, why was this fact not known to the Church that instituted it --- a Church whose priesthood believed in the Flood, but somehow forgot to mention to anyone that Halloween was a commemoration of it. They're not so much coincidental as imaginary, as you would know if, like me, you had bothered to read some of these flood myths.It is true that everyone with a myth of a magic flood attributes it to a magical being. Apart from that, the legends are very disparate.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

But we didn't have dominion over dinosaurs. Hominids didn't have dominion. Homo-erectus didn't have dominion. Even early homo-sapiens didn't have dominion, to the point of almost going extinct just due to environmental reasons, while other animlas flourished. Back then in fact, for hominds and early bi-pedal apes, the brain capacity was not at all greater than that of other apes.So what happened to all that dominion stuf back then?Also, what does the scientific evidence point to being the reason for the larger brain capacity and higher brain functions that lead to greater intelligence? This is a science thread so evidence is needed, friend.- Oni

What you are saying in effect is that you believe what you believe for the very reasons that cause you to believe in them.Very informative.

OK, science guy. Fair enough. So produce your evidence that humans didn't have dominion over dinos.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Humans and Dinos were separated by millions of years Buz. Unless of course you mean birds.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Ok how about the fact that there are no human fossils in the period where dinosaurs roamed the earth and that there are no dinosaur fossils from the period that humans started to walk on the earth?