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Author Topic:   Morality Decreasing With Time?
Buzsaw
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Message 177 of 305 (371877)
12-23-2006 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by RickJB
12-23-2006 1:50 PM


Re: Communication and Morality
NJ writes:
NJ writes:
How could a belief, something not tangible, be transmitted through a genetic line?
Rick writes:
Humans ARE able to communicate with each other.
Until recent centuries the majority of the cultures, tribes and nations of earth were not in communication with one another, yet for the most part some fundamental moralities and culture similarities were somewhat universal, such as murder, male leadership role, family structure, man/woman family role, et al. So communication is not the answer to the phenomenon of the decline of morality.
The Bible is an early source of the phenomenon of a common morality in human cultures. The fact that Biblical prophets prophesied a decrease in morality in the latter days when other corroborating prophecies are being fulfilled is significant so far as the thread title and OP goes.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 187 of 305 (371959)
12-24-2006 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by jar
12-23-2006 7:19 PM


Re: Communication and Morality
jar writes:
But so far no one has shown any examples of declining morality. In fact the only examples presented so far show that morality is increasing.
1. Global terrorism against innocent victims (crime) on the increase.
2. Theft increase.
3. Deviant sex practices traditional among most cultures on increase.
4. Global youth gang crime on increase.
5. Morality in government on decline including political corruption et al.
6. Drug usage and related moral/crime problems.
7. Corporate crime on increase.
8. Identity theft and security breach due to technology becoming major global problem.
9. Internet crimes, porn, et al corrupting youth, churchmen and other.
jar writes:
During Old Testament times slavery was moral. Today it is seen as immoral.
Though we modern Christians abhor slavery, most cultures of human history did not see this as immoral including Judiasm. Islam and other culotures/religions still don't regard it as immoral.
jar writes:
During New Testament times, stoning people was moral. Today it is considered immoral.
This is not an example of declining morals as per topic. This is simply a cultural matter regarding modes of capital punishment. It did have some benefits in crime deterant et al.
jar writes:
During the period of Manifest Destiny it was considered moral for the United States to simply take other nations territory by conquest. Today it is considered immoral.
Throughout human history, peoples and cultures have had wars, migration et al. This is not a matter of morality perse. It is relative to many factors in national and human matters.
jar writes:
Every indicator is that morality is increasing, not decreasing.
You have thus far failed to substantiate this.

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Buzsaw
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Message 188 of 305 (371961)
12-24-2006 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by ringo
12-23-2006 7:39 PM


Re: Communication and Morality
I see no problem with what you are saying. However, I don't see your comments as substantiating any position as to whether global/human morality is on the decrease.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 235 of 305 (372101)
12-24-2006 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by RickJB
12-24-2006 10:01 AM


Re: Communication and Morality
Rick writes:
In any case, the things you highlight have, in one form or another, been with human society thoughout history. Just grab a history book from any era of your choice.
1. Most have been around. The question of the thread is whether the items listed constitute a net deteariation of morality. Are there any items listed which fail to substantiate my point that global morality is on the decrease?
2. Are you trying to claim that city gang crime does not constitute morality decline or that it is not on the increase in the US, South America and other parts of the world?
Edited by Buzsaw, : spelling

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 236 of 305 (372102)
12-24-2006 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by nator
12-24-2006 7:22 PM


Re: Communication and Morality
Schraf writes:
Not really.
Oh, I see. I never really thought of that.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 251 of 305 (372175)
12-25-2006 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by jar
12-24-2006 11:47 PM


Re: Communication and Morality
jar writes:
Certainly.
Do you have any indication that it is higher than it was during the 1800s? Higher than during Imperial Rome? Higher than during Feudal Europe or Japan under the Shogunates?
So far all you have done Buz is make wild assertions and have presented not one piece of evidence.
Well, my friend, I've listed some chanllenges for you to refute. Which and how many of my points would you care to apply to the 1800s so as to show that my conclusion is flawed?
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 252 of 305 (372176)
12-25-2006 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Rob
12-24-2006 11:31 PM


Re: Communication and Morality
Thanks very much. I pray that somehow we Biblicalists may edify one another and evangelize secularists into God's kingdom.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 262 of 305 (372224)
12-25-2006 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by jar
12-25-2006 12:37 PM


Re: Communication and Morality
jar writes:
Do most people consider slavery immoral now?
Do most people consider interracial marriage immoral?
I don't consider these matters to be a moral issue. Rather they are an amoral social issuem (abe: unrelated to the thread topic. }
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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