Evolution and Specialness of Humanity

Well, that is all it can hope to be. It certainly can’t be backed up by any evidence. . and every other organism has unique abilities that separate them from every other organism. Everything is unique in it's own way. Yes indeed we are. Nature is a fascinating thing and we are part of it. I think it’s amazing. and body size, shape, hair, vocal chords, arms, hands, habitat, behaviour . I don’t think I’ll go through them all. Excuse me, but my movements, actions and thoughts are neither meaningless nor robotic. You need more experience out in the world before you have the right to judge my or anyone else’s life as meaningless. Even then you’d be on thin ice. What’s right for one may be wrong for another. So what? I really don’t see a problem with living for that. Piffle. I have been an atheist for several years, and I only really found purpose, meaning and goals to aim for since becoming one. You need to realise and accept that there are a lot of people in the world who do not believe in God yet manage to have a good, successful, productive and fulfilling life. That said, I’m not about to tell you or anyone else what to believe or how to conduct their lives. It's up to each of us to determine what is best for us. If you really feel you need to believe in God and Creation, then quite possibly you do. I’d rather nature than God. Especially the Christian God, He doesn’t sound like a loving, caring God at all. If God were a person that I knew, I’d probably consider him a complete bastard, and an incompetent one at that. Well, so be it. At least when natural events cause the deaths of thousands of people, I find it is a little easier to accept. There is nothing personal involved, just really tragic bad luck. What I find unacceptable is the idea that there is a God that is supposed to care and could have done something, but didn’t. It isn’t. Hawking up and spitting on the sidewalk is gross. Farting in a crowded elevator is gross. Stepping in dog’s poo is gross. Michael Jackson is gross. Disembowelled roadkill is gross. Interacting with my wife, family and friends is most definitely NOT gross. In fact, I think the world of them, despite being an evo-atheist. I beg your pardon, but it is indeed real. Being a tool of survival doesn’t make it less real. I don’t think I quite follow what your definition of ”real’ is, but it seems to be different from mine. At any rate, it’s not up to you to judge the validity of other people’s feelings and emotions.

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The probability that someone is watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your action.

I think you are confusing "background" here with "purpose". Evolution is merely the background against which we live. And I think you are assigning that far too much significance and power. It may be true that evolutionary principles ultimately shape the world and as a matter of speaking always "win" in the end. But it can do so without producing "losers". For example if you decide to not have children, you eliminate yourself as an opponent of evolution, so to speak. But did you, yourself, lose something? No. You were allowed your freedom. That's how I position evolution in my worldview: it does what it does, but it allows for dissident behaviour if you wish. It allows you to have your own purposes.Like others pointed out, the beauty of purpose is that you can freely choose it. What fun are purposes that are being assigned to you by something else??? What HONESTY is there in trying to fullfill those kind of purposes, where's the sincerity?

Piety comes in many different forms.ABE: It's the humanistic version of "God's in His heaven, all's well with the world."This message has been edited by robinrohan, 10-07-2005 07:03 AM

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So you would be against Christianity, which strives to have everyone think and act and believe the same things

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Let me get the bibble.Wait, I don't need it. Christ himself brought new innovative and extraordinary ideas into the world, his teachings have influenced millions. And you say that his teachings would go against what he actually did in his life? He didn't think and act the same, and God expects the same out of us. Christ has taught me to be unique and stand out from the crowd, Oparin has taught you that you are product of a lightning bolt hitting the ground of an early earth.

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and you would be in support of humanism, which recognizes each person's uniqueness and encourages everyone to be themselves as long as it causes no harm to others.

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Of course, but this is strange coming from someone who told me that I wasn't unique, one in 6 bill. Who told me that "Xianty" is a harmful belief, and questioned my ability to love another person because of my age. Don't you get it yet? The love that you have experienced is essentially contradicted by your belief that we are a socially developing and evolving species.

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I disregarded most of your reply, you took a lot of what I said out of context, or just didn't get what I was attempting to paint.

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You need to realise and accept that there are a lot of people in the world who do not believe in God yet manage to have a good, successful, productive and fulfilling life.

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Not intending to judge, but I don't see fulfillment in the things that you obviously do. Social/Economic Gain isn't on my agenda.

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It isn’t. Hawking up and spitting on the sidewalk is gross. Farting in a crowded elevator is gross. Stepping in dog’s poo is gross. Michael Jackson is gross. Disembowelled roadkill is gross. Interacting with my wife, family and friends is most definitely NOT gross. In fact, I think the world of them, despite being an evo-atheist.

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Out of context again, missed my point. But it was worth a laugh or two.

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Do you honestly believe that without a belief in your god that there would be no feelings? no love? no morality?

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Some would say that the semblances of these things do or would have existed, but it wouldn't be real, according to the leading theorists, and/or intellectuals, these feelings/expressions/relationships would (if they were right in suggesting evolution) be simply mechanisms done to advance homo sapien.

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How about the truth? Interested in that?You will live and you will die. Perhaps your friends, if you are lucky, will place a monument on your grave. Someone else will take your place, and in a little while it will not matter that you ever existed.This message has been edited by robinrohan, 10-07-2005 08:24 PM

What's a "b-movie", not in UK. lol.

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Prophex, grow up. You sound like a b-movie psycho.

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You are not unique. There are around 7 billion human beings on this planet, and you are just one of them. There is nothing about you that makes you "special" or "dignified". You are no more dignified than a Philipino whore or a west-end drug dealer. You are no more "special" than a ghetto kid who can play the guitar. But you are a clever young man, and if you get over the silly view of the world that you have, you may end up leading a happy life.

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Mick

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Someone already said the 7 billion people comment. But I don't see how my worldview is at all silly. You might be referring to what I said about what the world would be like if Old Earth hypothesis' were true.

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You will live and you will die. Perhaps your friends, if you are lucky, will place a monument on your grave. Someone else will take your place, and in a little while it will not matter that you ever existed.

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Prime example to why I disagree with the majority of the posters here on this issue.

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How about the truth? Interested in that?

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Have you yourself given up the search for what is true? Given your view on things, truth would mean nothing in the grand scheme of things... You say when we die, we cease to exist, why would truth matter to you sir?

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I think you are confusing "background" here with "purpose". Evolution is merely the background against which we live.

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Purpose in life, does not exist given the backround of evolution. Can't you see how insigniificant humanity is as a result of totally random, and totally unfeeling events towards our lives? We are a species that within evolution needs no purpose, and needs no God.

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Very good point.However,I want you to know that life is a tragedy. The literature has been telling us this for many years--and they are right.But we can gain something out of our lives:"Though nothing can bring back the power
Of splendour in the grass, of glory in the flower,
We will grieve not, but rather find strength
In what remains behind....
In the years that bring the philosophic mind . . ."This message has been edited by robinrohan, 10-07-2005 08:42 PMThis message has been edited by robinrohan, 10-07-2005 08:46 PM

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"Though nothing can bring back the power
Of splendour in the grass, of glory in the flower,
We will grieve not, but rather find strength
In what remains behind....
In the years that bring the philosophic mind . . ."

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Where is this from?

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Wordsworth."intimations of immortality"Great stuff. All about "trailing clouds of glory," etc.

Creavolution, I can say that I really don't have a definite opinion concerning evolution or creationism. I will say that I respect your intellect, and I look forward to more discussions with you...perhaps in chat. If you so desire, join us in our topic concerning the information age. http://EvC Forum: What is the impact of the Information Age? -->EvC Forum: What is the impact of the Information Age?This message has been edited by Phat, 10-08-2005 04:05 AM

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A youth is a person who is going to carry on what you have started. He will assume control of your cities, states, and nations. He is going to take over your churches, schools, and corporations. You may adopt all the policies you please, but how they are carried out depends on him. So it might be well to pay him some attention. In the soothing thoughts that spring
Out of human suffering;
In the faith that looks through death, In years that bring the philosophic mind.--- Wordsworth