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Topic: Evolution and Specialness of Humanity
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Annafan
Member (Idle past 4608 days) Posts: 418 From: Belgium Joined: 08-08-2005
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The world "as it is"...
I see the world as it is, a world that is filled with genuine love. (genuine as described in schraf's reply) To say that this love was simply part of evolution's mechanical process would be an insult, and a total understatement, it would defile this love, I don't accept that as truth. I see the world as it is, a God-given wonder. You see the world as it is??? What puzzles me then is why, at the same time, you seem to totally disregard all the misery and evil that is also all too apparant in reality and human behaviour. Musn't it also be "God-given", then? Seeing through the glasses of evolution, we can understand both love and the exact opposite. Seeing through "God" glasses, all sorts of awkward constructs are needed to cater for the negative side of things.
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Annafan
Member (Idle past 4608 days) Posts: 418 From: Belgium Joined: 08-08-2005
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Re: Uniqueness
The only reality that I am "pulling down" is the false reality of your mind. Wait, not of your mind even, of a man's mind embedded in a textbook, unveiled for you to accept with all the physical evidence in the world, but what you lost is life, you lost anything worth anything at all when you accepted Charles' Idea, you lost your uniqueness, and you let it drain away, and here you are arguing against someone who sees really what is alive in the world, and what is truth. Someone who knows that their, AND your life is worth much more than your foolish and fabricated mechanisms, that you learned of and memorized, and believed whole-heartedly, a man's invention gives you a shabby purpose filled with competition of individuals, a virtual rat-race of species. Humanity loses all of it's value, and we become the organisms we can crush with a finger, we become souless, and we lose our dignity. Regain your dignity and honor as a human, and realize that we, You are important, and that you are unique. Life really isn't the way that you and the majority of humans see it, it has more meaning than that of a survival mechanism. Your love is not lost, it has become faded with doctrine. And I guess all of this is perfectly illustrated by the contrast between how compassionate and peaceful we treated each other and other lifeforms BEFORE Darwin, and how heartless and remorseless AFTER?  Gimme a break! Actually, you may find that Darwin was already strongly against slavery and dehuminization of non white-Europeans in his timeframe. Not exactly the mainstream idea at the time.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Re: Uniqueness
"I see the world as it is, a world that is filled with genuine love. (genuine as described in schraf's reply)" - Prophex This may be true of your little world. It's not the world as seen by the poor unfortunates your cruel god condems to death every second of every day, every year since the begining of time. They see natural disasters, starvation and murder. Nice god you worship. "To say that this love was simply part of evolution's mechanical process would be an insult, and a total understatement, it would defile this love, I don't accept that as truth. I see the world as it is, a God-given wonder." - Prophex To say that I don't feel love because I don't believe in your baby killing, culture destroying, mind numbing god is the insult. You belittle emotional features that make us the incredible beings we are. If there is a god; it's us. Can you tell I'm angry? Or is that false to? Did your god make me angry? Your representation of a god does. I wish you could see how your mode of thought will effect you in later life.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Re: Uniqueness
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I used 'fake' as an adjective to describe the illusion that one's love is given as a mechanism for evolution.
OK. How do you know when it is an illusion?
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I used 'real' to describe a human's showing of care towards an individual, or multitudes of individuals as an act of genuine love, done for the moment, and for the individual/s. Not for the mechanism.
How do you know when it's genuine?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Re: Uniqueness
I admire and am impressed by Michael Jordan's remarkable athletic ability. Should I stop admiring his ability because he inherited the potential from his ancestors?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Charlie, why won't you answer this question?
Prophex, do you accept the fact that allele frequencies in populations change over time? quote:
Would you mind explaining this?
Do you accept the following facts?: 1) Organisms reproduce. 2) The offspring are not genetically identical. 3) Not all offspring survive to reproduce. 4) Offspring who's inherited genetic traits confer an advantage to reproductive success will be more likely to have their own offspring survive to reproduce. Do you accept the fact that all of these things happen? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-13-2005 08:48 AM
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nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 127 of 316 (251401)
10-13-2005 8:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 126 by nator
10-13-2005 8:47 AM
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Re: Charlie, why won't you answer this question?
Just a word of advice: If you expect to do well in any decent Philosophy program at University, you really need to step up your logic and argumentation skills. You are in for a rude awakening. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-13-2005 08:52 AM
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Funkaloyd
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Re: Uniqueness
robinrohan writes: Clark writes: Evangelical Christians are the most nihilistic group of people I've ever met. You haven't met too many nihilists, apparently... I think he's coming from a Nietzschean angle. Christianity has a tendency to make its followers "automatons of duty", in "denial of life". Prophex, in his attempt to find meaning and beauty in life, is ironically devaluing that life by putting emphasis on myth.
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Heathen
Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: 09-20-2005
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Message 129 of 316 (251418)
10-13-2005 10:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 115 by joshua221
10-12-2005 8:29 PM
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Re: Uniqueness
prophex writes: God would not give a world of competitive strife and struggle. Hang on a minute.... Wasn't it your God who condemned us to this "Strife and Struggle"? all because eve listend to a talking snake and ate an apple? Seems to me God DID give a world of competitive strife and struggle.
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joshua221 
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Message 130 of 316 (251529)
10-13-2005 6:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 116 by jar
10-12-2005 8:32 PM
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Re: Uniqueness
/ This message has been edited by prophex, 10-13-2005 06:27 PM strife and struggle in an evolutionary sense was what i meant to say i guess you got me there. This message has been edited by prophex, 10-13-2005 06:29 PM This message has been edited by prophex, 10-13-2005 06:29 PM
I am smiling.
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joshua221
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Message 131 of 316 (251531)
10-13-2005 6:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 117 by JustinC
10-12-2005 10:24 PM
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Re: Uniqueness
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and why is that reason better than it being evolved?
Love can't evolve.
I am smiling.
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joshua221
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Message 132 of 316 (251537)
10-13-2005 6:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 120 by Nuggin
10-13-2005 3:43 AM
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Re: Uniqueness
Yawn. You really aren't worth fighting with. It's like I'm at the nut house trying to convince the patient he's not Napolean. Yes, you are right, you're super special. The magic mystery man waved his super wand 6 thousand years ago and created you. All the fossils are just fakes. All the other people who believe in other religions are just here for you to have people to shoot your guns at when you send young Christian soldiers off to war. We should still have slaves. And it costs just a few silver coins to buy your rape victom as your wife. Great world you choose to believe in.
The incoherent distortion of what I believe summed up in the above is simply an insult carrying no argument, just some old guy pissed because of his beliefs. It's not a big deal, the world isn't one like the world of your accepted idea, don't fret. The way you think disturbs me. Who taught you about me and my religion? I feel sorry for you. I really don't know why you posted about slavery, rape, and murder in your post, doesn't seem to pertain to anything besides the mind of you.
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Don't believe science. We don't mind. You don't have anything to contribute to it anyway.
Science appears to be your God, the world has become your saviour. This message has been edited by prophex, 10-13-2005 06:26 PM
I am smiling.
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joshua221
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Message 133 of 316 (251540)
10-13-2005 6:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 121 by Annafan
10-13-2005 4:36 AM
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Re: The world "as it is"...
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Seeing through the glasses of evolution, we can understand both love and the exact opposite.
Through evolution true love simply is non-existant.
I am smiling.
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joshua221
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Message 134 of 316 (251542)
10-13-2005 6:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 123 by Larni
10-13-2005 4:48 AM
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Re: Uniqueness
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This may be true of your little world. It's not the world as seen by the poor unfortunates your cruel god condems to death every second of every day, every year since the begining of time. They see natural disasters, starvation and murder. Nice god you worship.
My brother calls this "evidence for an afterlife". The unfortunates that I can't even look at, me part of a disgusting lifestyle, and in fact liking it. Liking the materialism, and greed of the economic system. Without God, even a god there would be no afterlife, and these people born into a world of pain would only know of that, and their dark hole.
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To say that I don't feel love because I don't believe in your baby killing, culture destroying, mind numbing god is the insult. You belittle emotional features that make us the incredible beings we are. If there is a god; it's us.
You have misinterpreted the system that you seem to accept as truth. Evolution (the idea) belittles the "emotional features".
I am smiling.
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joshua221
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Message 135 of 316 (251543)
10-13-2005 6:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 129 by Heathen
10-13-2005 10:50 AM
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Re: Uniqueness
With this thought you forget God's afterlife.
I am smiling.
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