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jar
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Message 26 of 175 (698125)
05-03-2013 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
05-03-2013 5:59 AM


Re: What and Whom Does The Bible Support?
Phat writes:
If I am honest as a Christian, I will eventually use the Bible to provide some support for my position...realizing of course that many of you don't view it as a viable source.
I wont be using any scriptures from the Old Testament because the OT is all about laws given to Jewish people and such. Jesus basically came to fulfill the law rather than abolish it, but we are not under law now but under grace.
Not true Phat, you never use the Bible as you admit in the second paragraph. What you do is take one verse out of context simply because it supports the position YOU want to hold.
Your version of Christianity is not to use the Bible unless it supports your position and to ignore all the other parts.
The Bible is large, complex, often incorrect, often contradictory collection of individual biases.
And the Bible has NOTHING to do with who can marry. When it comes to marriage the Bible should be totally irrelevant.
If someone should want to marry their car then fine, let them marry their car. Trust me, the car cannot care whether it is married or not.

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jar
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Message 28 of 175 (698127)
05-03-2013 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Dogmafood
05-03-2013 8:09 AM


Re: We Are All Role Models
If everyone was heterosexual then we carry on as usual where as if everyone was gay then we don't carry on as usual.
But of course we would carry on as usual. Those critters that learned to have heterosexual sex would pass their genes on and the rest, as is the norm, would go extinct.
It's been happening like that for years and years.

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jar
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Message 35 of 175 (698135)
05-03-2013 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by New Cat's Eye
05-03-2013 10:47 AM


Re: What and Whom Does The Bible Support?
I think he is saying that they shouldn't divorce.
Look at the first two lines:
quote:
Matthew 19:
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.
10 The disciples said to him, If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.
What Jesus is objecting too is not marriage, not even divorce when it is justified, not any committed long term relationship but the ending of a relationship without cause and forming a new one. It is the SECOND marriage that is the issue; the sequential commitment of sequential fidelity.

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jar
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Message 69 of 175 (698605)
05-08-2013 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Phat
05-08-2013 11:33 AM


Re: We Are All Role Models
Phat writes:
Parent: We would prefer that you date that Jesus fella and spend a nice quiet night at home until you marry a good girl, but if you prefer partying like a rock star, doing bongs, and having group sex, we respect that you are an adult and you are still our son!
After a parent said that, could anyone expect their child to see them as anything but clowns?
"We prefer you date that Jesus fella.."
HUH?
Date Jesus?
Now that's really strange.
"We prefer you stuck to necrophilia until you marry a nice girl."
Yup. Sage advice.

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jar
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Message 76 of 175 (698624)
05-08-2013 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Phat
05-08-2013 1:29 PM


Re: Communion
phat writes:
Dr.Adequate writes:
Well, if this attraction includes a deep and profound desire to fellate him, then I'd have to suppose that that was part of God's purpose too.
And I would disagree. I would call it idolatry.
If it was (and of course it could not be) is there anything wrong with idolatry and should you have anything to say about whether or not someone else practiced idolatry?

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jar
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Message 80 of 175 (698656)
05-08-2013 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by NoNukes
05-08-2013 3:41 PM


Re: We Are All Role Models
How about the race of Americans. For that matter, what is American culture?

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jar
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Message 90 of 175 (698741)
05-09-2013 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
05-08-2013 11:33 PM


Re: Christianity is what one wants it to be??
Phat writes:
Does this mean that your particular chapter of club christian doesn't believe that Jesus is currently alive? That would explain a lot....
And the word is celibacy, not necrophilia
Jesus wouldn't let you have sex with Him anyway
Alive applies to living things like pond scum and trees and monkeys. Once dead they are no longer alive. I can't see anyway to apply the term "alive" to supernatural stuff like ghosts or zombies or gods.
And celibacy is not synonymous with dating. In fact the term dating implies something quite different and alien to celibacy. And the term for dating things that have dies really is necrophilia.

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jar
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Message 120 of 175 (698856)
05-10-2013 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Phat
05-09-2013 11:58 PM


Re: According To Whose Standard?
Phat writes:
My argument is that the Word of God is the standard by which to compare.
You keep making that claim and then trying to support that claim by taking the "Word of God" out of context and by misrepresenting what it actually says, substituting YOUR interpretation of what is written for what is actually written.

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jar
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Message 144 of 175 (698957)
05-11-2013 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Stile
05-11-2013 9:21 AM


Re: Gay is Good
To support you position and also to provide a little history and background, there are only two sacraments mentioned in the Book of Common Prayer, a protestant document that predates even the Authorized King James Bible; Baptism and Holy Communion. Marriage is among the services listed but it is "Celebrating and blessing a Marriage".

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jar
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Message 159 of 175 (699528)
05-21-2013 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by dwise1
05-21-2013 12:59 AM


Re: Communion
dwise1 writes:
First, we have the general case of the effect of the authenticity of authorship on any document. An autobiography that was not written by that person would be a fraud and hence could not be trusted. The same goes for a diary or a logbook or one's memoirs or a confession or the like. In each of those cases, the document is only of value if it was truly written by the person it purports to be written by. If it was not written by that person, then it is a fraud and is worthless, except as evidence leading to the arrest and conviction of the hoaxter.
Do you disagree with that? Again, specific reasoning if you do.
Of course I would not just disagree with that, I'd laugh at anyone who tried to put such an infantile argument forward.
The value of any written work depends on the content of the work and not on the author.
Actual authorship is only relevant in very limited conditions.

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jar
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Message 163 of 175 (699577)
05-21-2013 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Theodoric
05-21-2013 6:02 PM


Re: Communion
Yes I'm calling his argument totally infantile as well as irrelevant.
None of the examples he uses has anything to do with the validity of the Bible or almost any other book or anthology.
While actual authorship might be relevant in some legal instances it is totally irrelevant in considering the value of the content of a document, story, Bible, scientific review or study.

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jar
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Message 165 of 175 (699589)
05-21-2013 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Theodoric
05-21-2013 9:06 PM


Re: Communion
And it is infantile to think that except for very limited legal instances, actual authorship is relevant even in those cases.
If the content is accurate or useful the authorship is irrelevant.
I'm sorry if you think accurately describing a argumment is insulting. Hope you feel better soon.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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jar
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Message 171 of 175 (699608)
05-22-2013 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by dwise1
05-22-2013 1:12 AM


still just posting your fantasies
And you are still taking an infantile and incorrect position.
Which has been my position all along. Instead of shotgunning us with Bible quotes, he needs to present a reasoned argument. He uses those Bible quotes not because he has validated them, not because he has evaluated them, but rather just because he believes that God wrote them!
Have you asked Phat if he believes God wrote those passages?
As I describe, if you have bothered to read what I had written, it is the position of the believer in the Divine Authorship of the Bible that the Bible's authority and validity and truth is derived solely from its Author, God Himself. As countless fundamentalists will witness unto us to death, if God wrote the Bible then it is inerrant and everything in it is true, but if God didn't write the Bible then it is completely false and worthless and should be tossed into the trash.
Yup, there are fundamentalists and literalists, but have you asked Phat if he is one of those?
Not all Bible believers think God wrote the Bible.
It is the position of the Bible believers that I am describing, not my own!
No, it is YOUR caricature of Bible believers that you are describing.
Sorry but you are still simply posting your own position of what a Bible believer is and believes.

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