Is It Bigoted To Have A Supported Opinion?

Placing myself in the center of controversy in the Radical Clerics, Christian Morals, and Homosexuality thread, I began framing an argument in which I essentially attempted to portray my personal view on societal customs,equal rights arguments, and in so doing bringing up the ironic hatred that supporters of gay rights have against at least some chapters of Club Christian.I pointed out that I was in no way against the legal right of gays to marry nor did I see gayness, as defined by inborn attraction to ones own gender, evil or wrong. In this thread I want to clarify my stance and again bring up the Macklemore article, which hooah valiantly defends by linking us to the song .:(I maintain that my argument is not bigoted and is sound and would appreciate discussing this topic further in this new thread.)In essence, I began by referring to this article, which I recommend everyone read.
Macklemore, Same-SexMarriage, & Human EqualityIn the article, the author lays out what apparently is unpopular reasoning. Patel was correct, for that was the essence of the rants directed against me as the argument picked up steam. The basic rant was not that I supported the right of gays to marry...it was the sheer audacity of my even questioning another persons choice of morality.The opposition to me daring to have a stance on morality was evidenced through the comments I received. Keep in mind, now...that I had already stated that my personal rant was not in opposition to same sex marriage as a right. My opposition, which is directed at the church and not at secular society, was that we need to have a dialogue on our choices of morality and in setting an example for society to follow. The discussion should focus on what human behavior should be if in fact consensus is desired...a culture divided against itself is weak. My purpose for opening this topic was and is to initiate dialogue in these areas. Thus, my beliefs are by definition my opinions and prejudices and involve hatred and intolerance. But does intolerance in and of itself qualify as bigoted? If so, I receive it back. In other words, if I don't agree with you, I should shut up.
Patel shows that this is the way society will respond.
He quotes the Declaration Of Independence:

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We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life,Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

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I realize that I am no better than anyone...that we are all imperfect and that we are idolators.(yes, its my belief that God is superior to all of us, loves all of us, and desires that we love Him only because that is the best thing for any of us to do. When you hate what I stand for...in my opinion you hate Jesus. Now...lets talk idolatry, shall we? At the time i read the article, I laughed at the supposed absurdity of a guy marrying his dog or his car. Then I saw this video:
and I was floored! Patel had a point, however...can we argue with his point? should nobody ever have a say as to what others do?Finally...rounding out my topic, I'll share this article:
6 New Kinds of Anxiety the Internet Gave Us

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I can't imagine what a boon the Internet was for the weird fetish community -- how did these people even find each other before? It must have been like a glorious breath of fresh air to realize there were tens of thousands of other like-minded folk out there, enjoying the same weird boner.

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Getting back to Patels question as to "who says" what is socially acceptable, I challenge anyone to tell me that everyone should butt out of any and all human desires and let humans do whatever they want. My argument is that it is my churches responsibility to speak out not against everyone as if we are the morality police but as concerned neighbors who want to encourage dialogue in this area.

In essence, then...our discussion appears to be regarding consenting adult behavior. Does everyone agree with this, or are we still picking on same sex marriage?

If I am honest as a Christian, I will eventually use the Bible to provide some support for my position...realizing of course that many of you don't view it as a viable source.I wont be using any scriptures from the Old Testament because the OT is all about laws given to Jewish people and such. Jesus basically came to fulfill the law rather than abolish it, but we are not under law now but under grace.Also, just to let you know, I am not here to act condescendingly to anyone. I am a human with a brain and a heart, among other things, and I am just like you. We all agree that some people like boys and some people like girls. This does not mean that we need to show partiality to boys over girls or to girls over boys. We choose whom we are attracted to in the Spirit. In the flesh, of course, this is not the case. Its all emotional hard-wiring.Its now 400 am, so I wont be able to frame this post just yet. I still need to read the responses that all of you sent me, and I want to listen to your hearts and minds before I speak mine.I love freedom of speech and I enjoy communicating with all of you, even if we sometimes strongly disagree with each other. I believe that humans can learn more oftentimes from disagreement over agreement.

In other words, you believe that ideas are entirely internal...with society? Society changes over time, thus our ideas also change over time...all well and good....our ideas about religion change over time also. Our ideas about God...those of us who acknowledge Him...also change, but not all of us. Some of us believe that God stepped out of eternity into time....and that His ideas are unchanging. Slavery, for example, was never Gods idea...God merely was dealing with humans whom had already chosen to adopt and/or institute slavery.God deals with humans where they are at. For those of us who don't believe in Him...He may deal with you differently from those of us who do.But lets talk about Phat's ideas for a moment.God created us male and female. Reasons?God created us all with unique characteristics...some of them shared by others.Did it ever occur to you that God may have created some of us with attraction for our own gender not to encourage procreation, nor sexual pleasure but, rather, for some deeper emotional bonding? In other words, ask yourself what the possible purposes of attraction really are.

Parent: We would prefer that you date that Jesus fella and spend a nice quiet night at home until you marry a good girl, but if you prefer partying like a rock star, doing bongs, and having group sex, we respect that you are an adult and you are still our son! (WTF?)

I suppose that the issue is rights. To me, the issue is also responsibility. Lets put this in terms you understand.Oni: Stay away from that chocolate donut and go to the health club! Being fit and in shape is the best option for you!person attracted to sweets: I have a right to eat whatever I want!Now...does that right that they have negate your concern as to what their preferences and choices should be?Do you support their rights to gluttony? Lets say their sin was less severe...say it was vanilla wafers...in moderation.

And I would disagree. I would call it idolatry.

Does this mean that your particular chapter of club christian doesn't believe that Jesus is currently alive? That would explain a lot.... And the word is celibacy, not necrophilia
Jesus wouldn't let you have sex with Him anywayEdited by Phat, : fixed bad quote linkEdited by Phat, : No reason given.

Idol: 3. a person or thing devotedly or excessively admired.
- someone who is adored blindly and excessively....matinee idol
heartthrob - an object of infatuationTu Er Shen (兔兒神 or 兔神) (The Leveret Spirit) is a Chinese deity who manages the love and sex between homosexual men. His name literally means "rabbit deity".It is a folk tale from 17th century Fujian. In the story, a soldier is in love with a provincial official, and spies on him to see him naked. The official has the soldier tortured and killed, but he returns from the dead in the form of a young hare, or leveret, in the dream of a village elder. The leveret demands that local men build a temple to him, where they can burn incense in the interest of "affairs of men". Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Outside of marriage, yes.

Its interesting that you bring up the term "graven image."I did a study on it once...a graven image is essentially a carved(or created,human inspired,) imagination.As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.Oftentimes, our own human egos can essentially become graven images. When we ourselves see ourselves as higher than God and when we declare that God Himself is a product of human imagination, we essentially worship our own intellects...and deny the truth.

Its also interesting how angry people get when i point that out! As for having a discussion, im still open, hooah...why would anything change based on what I asserted?

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you would do well to do less preaching and more backing up of your arguments with evidence.

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I am using Biblical references as evidence. The fact that you wont accept my evidence isn't on me.Besides, all I am supporting are my beliefs.

You expect me to form my beliefs from human consensus. Thats where you have it wrong. It is not I who pick and choose.

Which "rock" do you suggest we build our support upon? Edited by Phat, : added link