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Topic: Is It Bigoted To Have A Supported Opinion?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 49 of 175 (698235)
05-04-2013 1:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
05-02-2013 12:59 PM
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Neal Patel writes: This lexical maneuver is brilliant because it forces those who oppose same-sex marriage to say that they are against equality.
Well, they are.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 54 of 175 (698386)
05-06-2013 12:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 52 by Phat
05-06-2013 10:17 AM
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Re: Communion
Phat writes: God merely was dealing with humans whom had already chosen to adopt and/or institute slavery.
He had a much more tolerant attitude toward slavery than He did toward, say, adultery. Adultery has a whole commandment against it, 10% of His effort. Slavery, not a word. If He really was against slavery, He could have just said, "Thou shalt not own human beings as slaves."
Phat writes: Did it ever occur to you...?
Unless all of God's thoughts have occured to you (with more reliability than His thoughts on slavery), wouldn't it be a good idea to be more open to homosexual SEX - not just attraction - instead of less?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: We Are All Role Models
Catholic Scientist writes: So then polygamists should be included too. Why do they seem to have been pushed to the back of the bus?
The main problem with polygamy is the complxity of the contract. In a two-way marriage, if one person decides to leave the contract is dissolved and the courts decide on disposition of resources, children, etc. In a three-way marriage, if one person decides to leave, what happens to the other two? As you add participants, you multiply complications. And how do you agree on adding new participants? Historically, polygamous marriages have been unequal, usually with the man hiring and firing wives at his whim. If anything was wrong with polygamy, it was the inequality.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 77 of 175 (698646)
05-08-2013 3:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 75 by Phat
05-08-2013 1:29 PM
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Re: Communion
Phat writes: I would call it idolatry.
I suppose a tattoo on a penis could constitute a graven image.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 100 of 175 (698766)
05-09-2013 11:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 92 by Phat
05-09-2013 9:35 AM
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Re: Communion
Phat writes: Its interesting that you bring up the term "graven image."
Actually, you brought it up - and I was poking fun at the reference.
Phat writes: Oftentimes, our own human egos can essentially become graven images. When we ourselves see ourselves as higher than God and when we declare that God Himself is a product of human imagination, we essentially worship our own intellects...and deny the truth.
Speaking of ego, you're the one who claims to know The Truth - i.e. that there is a God and that He is above us. It's actually pretty humbling to think that there might not be a Sky Daddy to bail us out and that we might have to figure things out for ourselves.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 101 of 175 (698767)
05-09-2013 12:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 95 by Phat
05-09-2013 10:37 AM
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Re: Communion
Phat writes: ...why would anything change based on what I asserted?
Assertion itself is the problem. A good discussion isn't just assertion and counter-assertion. When somebody tells you how you're wrong, it isn't enough to say, "Nuh-uh, I'm right."
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 106 of 175 (698800)
05-09-2013 4:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 103 by Phat
05-09-2013 1:44 PM
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Re: Communion
Phat writes: Besides, all I am supporting are my beliefs.
Bigotry is all about beliefs. Racists believe that people of other races are inferior. Homophobes believe that God hates fags. The topic is about support. I think supporting belief with more belief is like building a house on sand.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 109 of 175 (698823)
05-09-2013 7:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 108 by Phat
05-09-2013 6:48 PM
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Re: Communion
Phat writes: Which "rock" do you suggest we build our support upon?
A tangible one. An objective one. One that a disabled black lesbian carpenter can deal with.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 135 of 175 (698897)
05-10-2013 12:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 127 by Phat
05-10-2013 11:37 AM
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Re: According To Whose Standard?
Phat writes: Is it entirely possible for God..if God exists, to Himself be bigoted?
According to dictionary.com (watch me argue ad dictionarium), a bigot is:
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a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
If your God was a person, He'd certainly pass that test.
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