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Topic: Is It Bigoted To Have A Supported Opinion?
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 5 of 175 (698011)
05-02-2013 2:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
05-02-2013 12:59 PM
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My argument is that it is my churches responsibility to speak out not against everyone as if we are the morality police but as concerned neighbors who want to encourage dialogue in this area. What are your concerns, exactly?
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 27 of 175 (698126)
05-03-2013 10:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 11 by Rahvin
05-02-2013 7:07 PM
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Re: We Are All Role Models
Even after it was conceded that such relationships should be legal, they were still "frowned upon" by the perpetuating bigots of the day... I think that gets to the crux of the debate. Is it wrong to have an opinion like that? For example, is it wrong for an Indian man (dot not feather) to want his kids to marry indians? I don't see anything wrong with wanting to keep your race and culture strong. It becomes wrong when they act on those desires and, say, prohibit them from marrying an non-indian, or disown them when they do. But having the opinion? I don't think so.
I'm fairly certain that we are talking exclusively about relationships between consenting adults. At least, I am. So polygamy is definitely in and polygamists have the exact same rights to marriage as homo- and hetero- sexuals, right? Are they really being included in this fight for equality?
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Message 31 of 175 (698130)
05-03-2013 10:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
05-03-2013 5:59 AM
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Re: What and Whom Does The Bible Support?
If I am honest as a Christian, I will eventually use the Bible to provide some support for my position... I'll bust it out. I think Jesus accepted the gays.
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Matthew 19: 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery. 10 The disciples said to him, If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry. 11 Jesus replied, Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by othersand there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.
What are these eunuchs that He's talking about? They don't have to be castrated men, as men are not born that way. I think the term includes homosexuals and Jesus was cool with them, but... He does seem to think that they shouldn't be marrying.
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Message 36 of 175 (698139)
05-03-2013 11:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Taq
05-03-2013 10:53 AM
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Re: What and Whom Does The Bible Support?
I read "live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven" as those who live a chaste life thinking that it will increase their connection with God. A modern parallel may very well be gay catholic men who enter the priesthood. He doesn't have to be gay. Its anyone who chooses celibacy, or decides to not marry, for religious reasons. I think the people who are "born that way" is referring to homosexuals. People who are made that way would be the servants who were forbidden to marry, like a chamber maid or something.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 38 of 175 (698141)
05-03-2013 11:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 35 by jar
05-03-2013 11:02 AM
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Re: What and Whom Does The Bible Support?
Right. Jesus is saying that its wrong to divorce your wife and marry another. Then he says that not everyone can accept that as some people are not going to get married because they're gay, or committed to god, or are disallowed to by others.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 41 of 175 (698145)
05-03-2013 11:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 40 by dronestar
05-03-2013 11:17 AM
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Re: What and Whom Does The Bible Support?
Jesus must be rolling over in his grave. Uh... he left the tomb. 
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Message 63 of 175 (698592)
05-08-2013 11:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 62 by onifre
05-08-2013 10:55 AM
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Re: We Are All Role Models
I don't see anything wrong with wanting to keep your race and culture strong.
That would depend on how this is enforced. Looks like we agree that having an opinion like that isn't bigoted.
I mean, the whole point of the gay marriage debate is that individuals have the right to choose who they want to marry. So then polygamists should be included too. Why do they seem to have been pushed to the back of the bus?
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Message 67 of 175 (698599)
05-08-2013 11:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 65 by onifre
05-08-2013 11:36 AM
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Re: We Are All Role Models
Wanting to keep your race and culture strong is not automatically a bigoted opinion, I agree. But, certain actions to ensure that your race and culture are kept strong can be considered bigoted. Like not wanting, or to an extreme, not allowing someone to marry on that basis, for example. There are other ways of preserving your race and culture that don't deny someone their individual rights. Sure, as I said:
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I don't see anything wrong with wanting to keep your race and culture strong. It becomes wrong when they act on those desires and, say, prohibit them from marrying an non-indian, or disown them when they do. But having the opinion? I don't think so.
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I personally don't see anything wrong with polygamy, so long as it's not with underage girls. The west doesn't recognize it, I don't really know why. Be it religious prejudice or some kind of tax issue with too many people married together. Yeah, I don't get it either. Why are they being left in the dust?
But I do support their rights to polygamy. Really? How so? What are you doing to include them?
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Message 123 of 175 (698863)
05-10-2013 10:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 107 by Phat
05-09-2013 6:45 PM
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Re: Communion
Dude, that pic is a load of horseshit. You shouldn't post that again.
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Message 124 of 175 (698864)
05-10-2013 10:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 122 by dronestar
05-10-2013 9:55 AM
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Re: A three-year-old's mentality . . .
After 120 posts, Phat has demonstrated he has the mindset EXACTLY equivalent to a three-year-old child who believes in the Easter Bunny, or a religious terrorists who would kill innocent women and children. Oh look, you're posting hyperbolic nonsense again!
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