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Faith 
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Message 568 of 740 (734861)
08-02-2014 9:44 PM
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08-02-2014 6:53 PM


Re: igneous layers
Good grief, if they are actually there then they are there, I can't make them disappear, I just have to figure out how they fit into the Flood.

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Message 569 of 740 (734863)
08-02-2014 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 558 by Percy
08-02-2014 5:34 PM


Re: Order of events as shown on cross sections
That diagram shows the usual time periods of the Geo Time Scale, indicating that those layers have been there some time, so where are the new accumulating sediments you are talking about?

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Message 570 of 740 (734864)
08-02-2014 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 551 by edge
08-02-2014 4:06 PM


Re: whatever
How do you think the crests of the folds were planed off?
Abrasion with the upper layer as it tilted and slid beneath it.
Quartzite layer protruding upward simply too hard to erode so it must have cut into the sandstone.

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Message 571 of 740 (734865)
08-02-2014 10:08 PM
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08-02-2014 4:09 PM


Re: cross section shows all layers were in place except top one
What? I ask a simple question and get this weird answer? I just want to know if you used radiometric dating and it told you the relative ages of the two intrusive rocks.

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Message 572 of 740 (734866)
08-02-2014 10:10 PM
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08-02-2014 4:22 PM


Re: other evidence the strata were all in place before the faulting
I give up. If you can't follow my argument forget it.

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Faith 
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Message 576 of 740 (734875)
08-03-2014 1:41 AM
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08-02-2014 11:59 PM


Re: other evidence the strata were all in place before the faulting
No you didn't follow it, you were only interested in your own view of the deformation increasing with depth. And as often happens I get back the utterly ridiculous straw man idea that I'm describing something "perfect" as in "perfectly parallel." There is no way to talk to people who make such hash out of a simple communication. So you think the important thing is that deformation increases with depth. Important for what I have no idea but my argument still stands and maybe somebody will get it right. Or maybe not.
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Message 584 of 740 (734890)
08-03-2014 9:25 AM
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08-03-2014 8:50 AM


Re: other evidence the strata were all in place before the faulting
Well, it would be important because it refutes your contention that deformation, along with faulting and erosion, only occurred after the entire sequence was deposited.
It certainly does no such thing, and the analysis I gave of the order of the strata in relation to the faults shows the opposite.

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Message 585 of 740 (734891)
08-03-2014 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 581 by Percy
08-03-2014 8:50 AM


Re: New depositions strangely different from old strata
In the lower quote I was talking about the diagram I posted not the diagram you posted. I haven't said a word about faults in your diagram that I recall. My only remark about it was that it doesn't show current sedimentation, just the stack of layers back through the time periods. Yes, your diagram shows the geologic column.
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Message 587 of 740 (734895)
08-03-2014 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 586 by Percy
08-03-2014 9:52 AM


Re: An important admission
It's obvious, take it or leave it.

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Faith 
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Message 590 of 740 (734898)
08-03-2014 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 573 by edge
08-02-2014 11:54 PM


Re: whatever
Abrasion with the upper layer as it tilted and slid beneath it.
You can say whatever you want, but there is no evidence for this.
Sure there is, the very erosion you attribute to millions of years of wearing down a former mountain range.
Quartzite layer protruding upward simply too hard to erode so it must have cut into the sandstone.
Again, zero evidence.
Sure there is. Huge quartzite boulder buried in the Tapeats sandstone well above the contact line.

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Message 592 of 740 (734900)
08-03-2014 10:06 AM
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08-03-2014 10:04 AM


Re: other evidence the strata were all in place before the faulting
I don't ignore anything, I've talked about it and if you can't see what I mean by parallel you have no ability to see or think at all and why should I talk to someone who makes such a mess of a simple communication. End of contact with you.

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Message 596 of 740 (734906)
08-03-2014 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 595 by Coragyps
08-03-2014 10:51 AM


Re: New depositions strangely different from old strata
You obviously haven't read a thing I've ever written about the salt or anything else. Why do you have to make up a straw man?
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Message 597 of 740 (734907)
08-03-2014 12:24 PM
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08-03-2014 10:22 AM


Re: other evidence the strata were all in place before the faulting
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Faith 
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Message 602 of 740 (734914)
08-03-2014 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 600 by Coragyps
08-03-2014 1:11 PM


Re: New depositions strangely different from old strata
Your snarky discussion of the salt in that diagram as if I'd never heard of such a thing is what I'm reacting to. The salt isn't the issue in the diagram, just the deposition of sediments according to Percy. If you think that is shown, fine, it just looks like any geo column to me with all the strata one on top of another. Sagging because of the salt of course.

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Faith 
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Message 603 of 740 (734915)
08-03-2014 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 598 by Coyote
08-03-2014 12:28 PM


Re: other evidence the strata were all in place before the faulting
There are no unevidenced beliefs in my discussion of that diagram that edge obviously can't understand. I wasn't talking to you. Mind hyour own business.
ABE: Nobody has shown any evidence against what I've been arguing, that's the problem, edge just can't read.
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