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Author Topic:   Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
Dredge
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Message 940 of 1311 (815414)
07-20-2017 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 924 by Taq
07-19-2017 10:30 AM


Re: Interesting question...
Taq writes:
Dredge writes:
Please translate this into English.
They use a phylogeny based on common ancestry to predict protein function.
Can you give me a Dredge-simple example, please?
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix quote box (I think).

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Dredge
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Message 941 of 1311 (815416)
07-20-2017 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 925 by herebedragons
07-19-2017 11:35 AM


Re: Interesting question...
HBD writes:
Exactly, when a hypothesis grows up it becomes a conclusion... not a theory.
Just goes to show that those that argue so vehemently against scientific fields know so little about them.
A trivial sermantic misunderstanding like this is hardly going to alter my views about evolution.

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Dredge
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Message 944 of 1311 (815419)
07-20-2017 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 942 by dwise1
07-20-2017 1:56 AM


Re: Interesting question...
dwise1 writes:
If you disagree and claim that religion does have means to detect and deal with errors, then please present them. IOW, answer the damned question! Stop being so dishonest!
I reiterate ... this is way off topic.

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Dredge
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Message 946 of 1311 (815422)
07-20-2017 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 945 by Minnemooseus
07-20-2017 2:19 AM


Re: Hypothesis, conclusion, theory
Minnemooseus writes:
I would say that the conclusion becomes part of the theory, the theory of (biological) evolution being the entire collected knowledge of how life came to be as it is. The conclusion is theory, and many smaller theories come together to become a larger theory.
The full theory of (biological) evolution is (dare I say) huge.
Dredge's fragile, egg-shell mind is beginning to over-heat.

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Dredge
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Message 960 of 1311 (815523)
07-20-2017 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 957 by Taq
07-20-2017 11:25 AM


Re: Interesting question...
Taq writes:
Dredge writes:
Can you give me a Dredge-simple example, please?
If you can't understand that explanation, then you have no place calling evolution a religion, or claiming that it is false.
It comes as no surprise all that you can't give me an example.

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Dredge
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Message 961 of 1311 (815524)
07-21-2017 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 924 by Taq
07-19-2017 10:30 AM


Re: Interesting question...
Taq writes:
Dredge writes:
Please translate this into English.
They use a phylogeny based on common ancestry to predict protein function.
You forgot to mention the widdle ol' fact that "common ancestry" is an assumption.
Here's how it goes:
The fact that the DNA system is common to all living things is used by Darwinists as evidence of common ancestry. Cytochrome c performs a similar role in cellular respiration in many different organisms, and this fact is also used as evidence of common ancestry. Fair enough, but such facts can also be used as evidence of a Creator who decided to use the same biological machinery in lots of different creatures.
So when an evolutionary biologist says something like "based on common ancestry", what he is really saying is, "it is assumed by the Darwinist paradigm to be based on common ancestry".
Furthermore, the assumption of common ancestry is not what is useful in biology - it is the facts that led to the assumption that are useful in biology.
Of course, the science of Darwinism - which is inherently dishonest and deceitful - would have us believe that common ancestry is not only an undeniable and demonstrable fact, but that it is eminently useful in applied biology. I'd love a dollar for every biology student who has been brainwashed into believing this mendacious cult nonsense.
You can't fool all of the people all of the time.
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Dredge
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Message 964 of 1311 (815528)
07-21-2017 1:18 AM


It never ceases to amaze me that in this day and age there are educated adults who believe that dead matter can somehow produce life. Superstition will never die.
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Dredge
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Message 989 of 1311 (815618)
07-21-2017 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 966 by dwise1
07-21-2017 1:33 AM


Re: Interesting question...
dwise1 writes:
So what's your assumption here? Blind random luck producing those results?
I've already told you. Why you no listen to Dredge? The facts that led to to the assumption/conclusion of common ancestry produced the results.
Yet more of your deceptive lies.
I was thinking of inviting you to my birthday party, but now I having second thoughts, as you keep calling me bad names and for no good reason.
And yet you continue to behave as if you believed that evolution contradicts the idea of a Creator.
I've stated elsewhere that evolution doesn't rule out the possibility of a Creator. However, millions of years of evolution is incompatible with the Bible.
Where do you get such nonsense from? I know where, from your creationist handlers who are feeding you lie after lie.
My "creationist handlers" go by the name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, who speak the truth. You would do well to listen to them.
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Dredge
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Message 990 of 1311 (815619)
07-21-2017 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 967 by Minnemooseus
07-21-2017 2:36 AM


Re: Let's call this the Genesis 2:7 message
Minnemooseus writes:
Dredge writes:
It never ceases to amaze me that in this day and age there are educated adults who believe that dead matter can somehow produce life.
Unless God is involved, I suppose.
Yes, since I'm a creationist, that's what I meant; sorry I didn't make myself clear.
Might not God have started a very simple form of life from "the dust of the ground"? (Theistic abiogenisis/evolution in action).
Certainly that would be possible, if God is omnipotent ... in which case, anything is possible. However, the Bible clearly indicates it didn't happen that way. For example, consider the quote you supplied:
Genesis 2:7 - "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." It says God formed "man" from the dust of the ground and the "man" became a living soul; it doesn't say God formed a unicellular bug from the dust of the ground and the unicellular bug became a living soul.

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Dredge
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Message 991 of 1311 (815621)
07-21-2017 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 969 by Pressie
07-21-2017 4:29 AM


Re: Interesting question...
Pressie writes:
Dredge writes:
You forgot to mention the widdle ol' fact that "common ancestry" is an assumption...
Nope. The opposite. It's a conclusion.
Pressie, Pressie, Pressie, you're getting nowhere playing such petty semantic games. Whether it's an assumption or a conclusion, the same argument applies. It's not the assumption/conclusion of common ancestry that produced the results, it's the facts that led to the assumption/conclusion that produced the results. I could offer a creationists assumption/conclusion based on exactly the same facts, but that would prove as irrelevant to producing the results as the Darwinist assumption/conclusion of common ancestry. Try and think outside the box of Darwinist indoctrination you have been living in for the last several decades.
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Dredge
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Message 992 of 1311 (815625)
07-21-2017 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 974 by JonF
07-21-2017 8:58 AM


Re: Interesting question...
JonF writes:
Dredge writes:
It comes as no surprise all that you can't give me an example.
See the logic error there? Of course not.
Er ... no; I can't see the logic error here. This must mean you are much smarter than I am.
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Dredge
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Message 993 of 1311 (815626)
07-21-2017 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 979 by Taq
07-21-2017 10:50 AM


Re: Interesting question...
Taq writes:
Dredge writes:
You forgot to mention the widdle ol' fact that "common ancestry" is an assumption.
It's a conclusion drawn from evidence.
An irrelevant point of semantics, as I've already pointed out in post #991.
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Dredge
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Message 994 of 1311 (815627)
07-21-2017 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 980 by Taq
07-21-2017 10:51 AM


Taq writes:
How do you think life came about?
Read the first chapter of the book of Genesis in the Bible.

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Dredge
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Message 995 of 1311 (815628)
07-21-2017 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 981 by Taq
07-21-2017 10:52 AM


Re: Let's call this the Genesis 2:7 message
Taq writes:
A deity creating life from dirt is the very definition of superstition.
Believing that life can come from nothing but dead dirt - without an iota of scientific evidence and when science itself suggests it's impossible - is the very definition of superstition. Such a belief is in fact just as scientifically-retarded the spontaneous generation superstitions of the nineteenth century.
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Dredge
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Message 996 of 1311 (815629)
07-21-2017 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 984 by JonF
07-21-2017 11:10 AM


Re: Let's call this the Genesis 2:7 message
JonF writes:
If the Bible, then it's not relevant in a science forum.
In which case, science is a poor arbiter of truth. Man (read: science) is no more "the measure of all things" than earthworms are.
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