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Message 147 of 231 (330154)
07-09-2006 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Nighttrain
07-08-2006 8:36 PM


*******Wasn`t pitch derived from the effects of rotting vegetation which was deposited in the sediments DURING the Flood? Maybe Noah sent an advance order and God delivered?

No, This manufactured glue (pitch) was express­ly produced for the lamination of wood and was well-known throughout the ancient world. There are many examples of how pitch was used by the ancients. In the ancient Roman Empire boiling birch bark and extracting the resins yielded a glue-like tar.

****source noted below

Laminated or Layered Wood

This atonement scenario and the similari­ties between the Hebrew words in Genesis 6:14 seem to indicate that the word gopher and gopherwood are closely related to the word for pitch. In other words, the word gopher­wood is not a type of wood but a wood process. Specifically the process of using pitch or bitumen combined with wood. It has often been assumed that the pitch process applied to the wood may have been only on the sides, that is the inside surface and the outside surface of the ark. In actuality, the pitch process would have been internal as well as external. Since atonement must take place not only in the outward actions of a person but also in the heart, the analogy would be complete with gopherwood having an internal coating of pitch.

Interestingly, older dictionaries (Note [13]) will provide insight into the word gopher. The words wafer, gauffer, goffer, and gopher, all deal with related concepts. Definitions include: layers in a wafer, layers glued together, an adhesive to glue together layers of paper, and layers of lace in women’s clothing. The concept of layering and lamination is implied in all of these words. The term, “goffering,” comes from an old French word which is the process whereby irons are used to flute and press together various layers of lace. The early French set­tlers in the United States named rodents that burrowed in the earth and created layers of honeycomb [tunnels] — gophers.

The Bible reveals that Noah’s Ark was covered inside and outside by pitch. This would serve as a waterproofing agent. This pitch covering was probably natural bitumen that was commonly found in seepages in the Middle East. But what many people do not realize is that the ark’s design would also include laminated or layered wood that was glued together with a resinous tar-like coating. This manufactured glue was express­ly produced for the lamination of wood and was well-known throughout the ancient world. This lamination would provide strength for the large beams required for the construction of the ark. As shown gopher­wood was actually a process in which the ark’s wood was laminated and glued together with pitch and resin, a type of ancient plywood. — by Arnold C. Mendez, Sr.

http://www.giveshare.org/BibleStudy/241.gopherwood-ark.html


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Message 152 of 231 (330212)
07-10-2006 12:31 AM
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07-09-2006 10:33 PM


Baltic Amber (Pitch for Noah)

Special recipe?

I'll agree with you that the pitch from Noahs day might of been superior given all the evidence of insects perfectly preserved in (pitch)amber, like Baltic amber. Baltic Amber is used for jewelry and still is found floating in salt water and upon the shores of Poland. The Ancient Romans used (amber) for jewelry.

****Source article

Baltic Amber
This amber normally is found in the Baltic sea and the tides will carry the amber to the shores of Poland as amber will float in Salt water. This event has been going on for centuries as the Ancient Roman's used the amber for jewelry and medicine. Until recently the insects found in the amber were thought to be oldest geologic speaking.

http://www.twoguysfossils.com/amber.htm


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Message 154 of 231 (330324)
07-10-2006 11:06 AM
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07-10-2006 10:03 AM


Re: Baltic Amber (Pitch from Noah's Flood ?)
******* Also, amber is not pitch, no matter how much you'd like to pretend it is.

Amber is a resin which is formed from pitch, its from wood applied to wood. Its a perfect sealing agent, glue, preserving organic fossils within resin even unto this day.

It floats in salt water, it has not been destroyed by the salt water (Baltic Amber) and has survived the pounding of the waves since they formed. We know these fossils formed at least before the times of the Ancient Romans who too used fossilized amber for jewelry.

****source article

Amber is a time hardened resin which formed from pitch.

http://ion.asu.edu/cool32_necklace2/cool32_thumb.htm


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Message 164 of 231 (330686)
07-11-2006 12:27 AM
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07-10-2006 10:05 PM


Re: gopherwood
You got it, gopherwood (laminates) reduced flex so the pitch (amber like resin) that appears hardened but would still be able to flex because even hardened pitch is still a visious fluid. Harps are coated with pitch resins yet they flex (vibrate)its why harps are coated with resins. Boats today are built with fiberglass and fiberglass too is hard like amber and will shatter if you hit it with a sludge mall. The water forces however dissipate outward because of the denseness and hardness of pitch being a fluid and not a solid would not flex inward due to the gopher wood (laminates).

The amber being a resin thats derived from the sap in the trees (pitch) yet still preserving them insects after all these years in a salt water environment because even in its hardened state pitch resin a highly viscious liquid. Its just that its that more dense than water that it appears to be a solid but is not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_%28resin%29


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