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Author Topic:   What we must accept if we accept evolution Part 2
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Message 6 of 301 (282611)
01-30-2006 1:58 PM
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01-30-2006 12:10 PM


That's not true. Electricity is generated by physical means. Without the physical, there is no electricity.
more specifically, electricity is a current of electrons. it is entirely physical. just really small.
your brain does something, and then tells itself about it.
some of us are aware of that.
The mind doesn't generate anything. It is itself generated, by the brain. Those ideas and illusions? They are your mind. The starting point is the brain, not some ethereal, independent 'I in there'. The Cartesian Theatre is empty. Or better, there is no Cartesian Theatre.
once you realize that your brain is in charge, you can begin to use it more. it's a far more useful tool when you let it do what it wants. cause your brain is capable of anything. your 'mind' is restricted by memory. i can do math because i let my brain do it, it don't try to think my way through it. i just get the answer. it works so much better. same thing when i'm writing a paper. i just flow. if i had to think about it i couldn't do what i do. my brain is my muse This message has been edited by brennakimi, 01-30-2006 01:59 PM

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Message 35 of 301 (282709)
01-30-2006 8:48 PM
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01-30-2006 3:54 PM


yes yes. but see. when you make an opening post, you are the one replied to. those are quoted from the person you linked to. hence i quote them in response to you, the primary poster. and, it's all the more appropriate since that person was also replying to you.

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Message 38 of 301 (282714)
01-30-2006 8:55 PM
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01-30-2006 8:54 PM


yeah generally that's what reading is for.

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Message 65 of 301 (282750)
01-31-2006 12:20 AM
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01-30-2006 11:12 PM


The Biblical God did not create a world full of death. The ToE assumes that death is natural, which is a cruel nature. Therefore the ToE and the God of the Bible are incompatible.
nope. that's an assertion. you have presented no proof and your mental gymnastics aren't enough. first. there has been no biblical proof that death was not part of god's creation. namely, the genesis story purports immediate death resulting from eating the fruit, not some bizarre eternal spiritual fall. immediate death.
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
in the day. that very day. not someday 900 years from now. today. not my fault it doesn't actually happen that way. if you're going to believe the bible to be inerrant you have to believe that it says what it means and means what it says.
further, later in the bible, god kills people. lots of people. if god is so good and his creation meant to be without death, then why does he kill people? i can deal with a good god killing people. i can't deal with a god who allegedly created a deathless world killing people. that's non-logic.
give evidence for your assertions or admit that you're wrong.
moreover, what is so cruel about death? death is great. it makes room for more people and more species. living forever with a disease? now that sucks.
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Message 160 of 301 (283027)
01-31-2006 11:38 PM
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01-31-2006 6:35 PM


Re: robinrohan once again makes unsupported assertions.
i actually think this is a splendid contribution. welcome aboard and may i lend you a pair of goggles?

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Message 207 of 301 (283376)
02-02-2006 10:28 AM
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02-02-2006 6:29 AM


Re: on Belief
what proof have you that your belief does not come from within? i would argue that that in itself is a matter of faith. but please. prove me wrong.

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Message 211 of 301 (283404)
02-02-2006 11:26 AM
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02-02-2006 10:49 AM


Re: Not at all irrational.
Evolutionists certainly seem to believe that a lawful universe could simply have happened without such a cause, or a designer, or a mind that brought it about, but THAT's the irrational belief. Lawfulness implies a law-maker; design implies a designer.
these are only so because humanity requires a law-maker to instill law. the universe may not. it is foolish and irrational to generalize humanity upon the universe.

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Message 215 of 301 (283421)
02-02-2006 12:05 PM
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02-02-2006 11:46 AM


Re: Defending belief?
yep. just as laughable as those who proclaim e-conspiracy. it is noble to believe in something so strongly. but to die for it when instead you could live to actually accomplish something... they are no less worthy of our pity and concern than those who simply died because they were born the wrong color or had the wrong grandparents.
christians need to worry less about martyrs and more about victims of murder that had no choice in their execution. a christian could easily choose to deny and live. what about all the 'witches' that christians killed by drowning or other methods that the execution was part of the trial? what about the 'infidels' the christians murdered in the crusades? what about the millions of people that die every year because christians do nothing but sit at home praying and rubbing their hands together? what about those who die of aids because christians are worried that encouraging the use of condoms might endanger their immortal soul?

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Message 216 of 301 (283422)
02-02-2006 12:06 PM
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02-02-2006 12:01 PM


Re: The ToE and Gods
well said.
nobody ever thinks about the microbes.

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Message 235 of 301 (283552)
02-02-2006 9:56 PM
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02-02-2006 6:53 PM


Re: on Belief
that's not true. i'm sure you could easily demonstrate that the thoughts you have follow the 'response to stimuli' pattern rather than the 'making shit up' pattern. but we'd really have to ask schraf's hubby.

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Message 289 of 301 (284459)
02-06-2006 5:58 PM
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02-06-2006 5:51 PM


if indeed evolution implied that there was no god (which it does not.) then just because the chief end of man is NOT to glorify god and enjoy him forever, does not leave us with no purpose. we have great purpose. we have the purpose of surviving and procreating and exploring and naming. even the bible suggests that the purpose of man is to name creation. since we have yet to finish exploring, we have yet to finish naming. and since the universe is expanding, we will probably never finish exploring.
christianity states that animals do not have souls and therefore do not go to heaven. what then is their purpose? if they have no soul then they must have no purpose. if they have no purpose, why don't they disappear in a puff of logic? are you going to tell me that their purpose is to make us happy by food or whatever? that's a rather rude purpose.

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Message 293 of 301 (284473)
02-06-2006 6:33 PM
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02-06-2006 6:28 PM


oh sure
i was trying to find some kind of objective purpose since poor faith seems to be worthless without one. sucks to be her. anyways. i've little interest in naming things. but it is something we do without knowing. it speaks strongly of our habit of labeling things...

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Message 295 of 301 (284477)
02-06-2006 6:40 PM
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02-06-2006 6:36 PM


see. i know this.
faith may or may not.
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