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Author Topic:   Perceptions of Reality
Sour
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Message 283 of 305 (398460)
04-30-2007 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by RAZD
04-30-2007 7:00 PM


Re: Reality for Pink Elephants?
sorry but i disagree , we are talking about very specific pink elephants , we can define them in "real" terms ...
But that doesn't make it real. You are still talking about the concept, not the reality, of pink elephants.
I think Ikabod is confusing objective reality with consensual reality. It's not the concept that he is claiming is real, but the experience. That people experience similar hallucinations is hardly surprising considering that we share similar tools and experience.

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Sour
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Message 284 of 305 (398464)
04-30-2007 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by ikabod
04-30-2007 10:18 AM


Re: Reality for Pink Elephants?
We can produce as much reliable data on these pink elephants , including the fact that they are a hallucination effect ,as we can on say Stonehenge ... which seems to be made of very solid lumps of matter ... both are part of our reality , the fact that they are made of differing things is just the way reality is .
Stonehenge and hallucinations exist.
Hallucinations are made of the same thing as your perception of Stonehenge. That you experience the processing of sensory input, does not make the source real outside of that experience. That everyone else can share the experience of the source does. No one can share your perception of Stonehenge, but anyone can measure its size, and observe its shadow. The only person who can experience your pink elephant, or techno gnome, or insectoid ferris wheel or holy light, is you. That others claim similar experiences suggests to me that we share similarly faulty perception tools.
Listing people who have interacted with pink elephants is like listing people who've had imaginary friends. I think you are confusing experience with reality, or denying that there is a difference.

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Sour
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Message 286 of 305 (398563)
05-01-2007 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by ikabod
05-01-2007 6:28 AM


Re: Reality for Pink Elephants?
The whole issue is that the specific pink elephants we are talking about are part of the whole reality that is our reality . Then we can look at the issue of things that have no physical form and how the work in our reality .
Oh ok, like thoughts?
the doctor treating the person for the hallucination .. his work is real ...his work is there because of the elepants , the doctors reality is shaped , partly by the elephants , and he the passes on the affect to the rest of the whole of reality .
Hm, I think the doctor's reality is shaped by the person claiming to experience pink elephants, not by the elephants as such.
no , i am saying reality is everything , including experience , everything we experience IS within , and a part of , reality ..
Ok, I can deal with that. However, what we experience is not something that can be experienced by others. The perception of something is a reality for the perciever, but it is not transferable. Aren't the implications that there is a reality for every perciever? Surely that's the point about perception in the first place, that its just an imperfect reflection of reality?

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