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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Main Entry: 1chance Pronunciation: 'chan(t)s Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin cadentia fall, from Latin cadent-, cadens, present participle of cadere to fall; perhaps akin to Sanskrit sad- to fall off 1 a : something that happens unpredictably without discernible human intention or observable cause b : the assumed impersonal purposeless determiner of unaccountable happenings : LUCK c : the fortuitous or incalculable element in existence : There is a lake, and there is a (suspended)chemical in it of 2 ppm. There is a stream pouring into it, and a dam that forms it. It doesn't matter the size of the lake, or amount of water pouring into it. But eventually this chemical would be washed out, or would it. The amount of time it washes out, is that chance. The fact that maybe a molecule might not ever get washed out, is that chance, or the fact that it may indeed get washed out, is that chance. Is it chance that any three of these options would happen. Are any of these chance?Does chance really exist? Or is chance a word we use to explain what cannot be explained because we don't know how it all works, or we don't really understand the laws of the universe? I am no scientist, and this topic may have been covered already, but I would like to discuss it, and share knowledge/thoughts about it. :note to admin, I am not sure what forum to suggest, but please not the coffee house.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Good point, it is in the direction I am going with this.
So then with that kind of thinking, looking at this part of the definition of chance:
something that happens unpredictably without discernible human intention or observable cause
A better question would be then, just what do we see in the universe that could be considered chance according to this definition? Keep in mind, as complicated as it would be to find all the variables in the lake example, and then calculate the predicted outcome, it would be considered only a uncomplicated example, compared to everything else we see. I used the lake example, because I vagely remember being taught about that scenerio. I believe that the outcome would always be that the chemical would eventually be washed away completely.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
The only thing I feel right now which can induce chance would be our own free will.
The rest of it like someone just said is ignorance of just how things work.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
As it is right now, we simply cannot predict when a nucleus will decay.
Forgive my ignorance, but isn't that how we carbon date things?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Induce:
1 a : to move by persuasion or influence b : to call forth or bring about by influence or stimulation Cause it
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
So more or less carbon dating is based on an assumotion.
But it is slightly off topic. I said I am ignorant to decay of atoms, but I accept for the most part what science says about them. But I still believe there is an outside chance of them being wrong. I am correct in stating that it is accurate to about 60,000 years?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I'm not saying that if there is no such thing as chance, then science is invalid.
I'm getting at the later part of your reply, with the cascade effect. To me if there is no such thing as chance, then everything is predetermined already. The only intervention is our free will. Deciding to wear black or blue to me is not part of the cascade. If it is, that is a empty, dark, cold thought, and is not from God, that kind of thinking. (can you hear the can of worms opening up?) To me determinism is proof of God's orderly universe that he created, and proof that he does know all. For the one who spoke the universe into its existance would surely know. I also tie this in with our natural evolution. It would seem to me that our free will has intervened with a natural evolution, and could very well be the death of us. Free will steers the course of determinism, or the perfect will of the father. I am touching on some subjects that I know nothing about, sorry if this is all elementary to you.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I understand. Theoretically, science would be able to determine everything if we knew all the variables. Everything except the free will of the human brain. So even if we knew the outcome of choosing between black and blue, we could not know what one would pick.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Thats my question.
How does disorder come from order?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Wouldn't derteminism and order create entropy?
Wouldn't it be measurable? If we were smart enough?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Tell me, is everything we don't understand caused by God?
Naaa, just everything.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Nothing happens except by the will of the Father, even the bad stuff. He allows it to happen when we screw up, and cause it. Thats free will. It's our gift and our nemisis.
That doesn't make God bad. Unless you don't like your free will, you could always come back as a tree next life. lol
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I think that if you want to spread the love of God, well, you know.
Let's stay on topic, and keep the discussion rational.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
All desease and sickness is a direct result of sin, and inherent sin. Also all sickness is caused by all the pollution we put in the world, and in our food, and our bodys (which happens to be sin also). God gave us an awesome responsibility to take care of mother earth, and we have done a terrible job. Everywhere you go there is pollution, and in the air we breathe. So where does lukemia come from really?
That toddler could be cured in the blink of an eye, by the grace of our God. All they need is faith.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
So which is it?
Can't you read, they are both sin.
I'm going to start feeding christians poison - because according to the bible they are immune.
Please show me where in the bible it says that. Also tell me why it is only Christians.
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