Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
0 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,913 Year: 4,170/9,624 Month: 1,041/974 Week: 368/286 Day: 11/13 Hour: 0/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Is there such a thing as chance?
Wounded King
Member
Posts: 4149
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Joined: 04-09-2003


Message 7 of 175 (175757)
01-11-2005 5:26 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by contracycle
01-11-2005 5:16 AM


There are already a number of threads on this topic, mostly framed in terms of determinism and indeterminism, be warned however, Syamsu is a major contributor to these threads, so how much you will get from reading through them is debatable. I think the most recent one is Syamsu's thread about probability terminology.
TTFN,
WK
P.S. I mean the topic of the OP, not radiactive decay specifically.
This message has been edited by Wounded King, 01-11-2005 05:27 AM

This message is a reply to:
 Message 6 by contracycle, posted 01-11-2005 5:16 AM contracycle has not replied

  
Wounded King
Member
Posts: 4149
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Joined: 04-09-2003


Message 48 of 175 (176961)
01-14-2005 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by nator
01-14-2005 9:43 AM


Re: Chances
That doesn't actually argue that christians aren't at the forefront of the environmental movement, simply that a particular group of christians are actively participating in anti-environmental pursuits.
TTFN,
WK

This message is a reply to:
 Message 47 by nator, posted 01-14-2005 9:43 AM nator has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 49 by PecosGeorge, posted 01-14-2005 12:20 PM Wounded King has not replied

  
Wounded King
Member
Posts: 4149
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Joined: 04-09-2003


Message 76 of 175 (178071)
01-18-2005 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by riVeRraT
01-18-2005 7:26 AM


Re: chance and assumption and random chaos
If your father commits sin (sin by definition) and abuses his body with alcohol. Those traits are carried over to you.
Isn't that simple?
Eh? Not only creationism but Lamarckism now?
TTFN,
WK

This message is a reply to:
 Message 74 by riVeRraT, posted 01-18-2005 7:26 AM riVeRraT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 82 by riVeRraT, posted 01-18-2005 2:41 PM Wounded King has replied

  
Wounded King
Member
Posts: 4149
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Joined: 04-09-2003


Message 90 of 175 (178456)
01-19-2005 4:18 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by riVeRraT
01-18-2005 2:41 PM


Re: chance and assumption and random chaos
I do not subscribe to rither science
OK, so you're not a creationist. That doesn't make your rubbish about paternal alchoholism any less non-sensical. Certainly a child growing up in a household with an alcoholic father might be more likely to develop alcoholism, and certainly there are genetic factors which may predispose people to alcoholism thereby making it a familial trait, but do you have a single shred of evidence supporting the contention that if a father without a genetic predisposition to alcoholism became an alcoholic and fathered a child, that that child would be any more predisposed to alcoholism than any other due to "sin", leaving aside the environmental issue of being raised in a home with an alcoholic parent?
TTFN,
WK

This message is a reply to:
 Message 82 by riVeRraT, posted 01-18-2005 2:41 PM riVeRraT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 93 by riVeRraT, posted 01-19-2005 9:40 AM Wounded King has replied

  
Wounded King
Member
Posts: 4149
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Joined: 04-09-2003


Message 95 of 175 (178516)
01-19-2005 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by riVeRraT
01-19-2005 9:40 AM


Environment, not 'sin'.
Dear riVeRrat,
As an answer to my question this leaves a lot to be desired. As you reveal so eloquently by suggesting that I 'ask a psychologist', you aren't really talking about 'sin' at all. Or rather what you choose to call 'sin' is something others would identify as a perfectly natural set of social and pychological phenomena, presumably because they are blinded by the Devil's deceptions.
TTFN,
WK
P.S. I think you mean Tarot card reader

This message is a reply to:
 Message 93 by riVeRraT, posted 01-19-2005 9:40 AM riVeRraT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 96 by riVeRraT, posted 01-19-2005 4:23 PM Wounded King has not replied

  
Wounded King
Member
Posts: 4149
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Joined: 04-09-2003


Message 111 of 175 (179289)
01-21-2005 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by PecosGeorge
01-21-2005 9:10 AM


Re: chance and assumption and random chaos
We are very much so subject to the choices our parents make, with or without religion.
Indeed, in fact the religious factors such as 'sin' seem entirely redundant concepts here.
No matter what the moral state of your father his health, poverty, class and other factors may well have an effect on your upbringing. How much the simple exercise of free-will is able to alleviate these effects is debatable.
TTFN,
WK

This message is a reply to:
 Message 110 by PecosGeorge, posted 01-21-2005 9:10 AM PecosGeorge has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 112 by PecosGeorge, posted 01-21-2005 11:42 AM Wounded King has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024