Spherical Issues

IaJ, I'm going to say this in the nicest way I possibly can:You don't know what you're talking about. A 3rd grade child has a better grasp of nuclear physics than you do of this very simple topic.So, here's an actual example for you, since you can't seem to work with abstracts:What is the latitude and longitude of the center of the surface of the Earth? Not the coordinates of the core; what is the latitude and longitude of the center of the surface only?Is the center of the surface at a point on the equator? The North or South Pole? Chicago Illinois? A random point in the Atlantic?What is the location of the center of the surface, and what is your reasoning for choosing that specific location?

The surface of the Earth is not abstract. You're sitting on it, right this very second (unless you live under the sea, in orbit, in an airplane, or in a mine).Stop equivocating. Either provide the latitude and longitude of the center of the surface of the Earth, or admit that you were wrong. There are no other options. Quite to the contrary. If you cannot comprehend of such a simple thing as the fact that the surface of a sphere has no center, then the problem most definitely is your understanding.Let's try something similar:A ray is a geometric term referring to a line segment that has a beginning and no end. In other words, this:*--------------------------->is a ray. The * signifies the beginning, and the -> refers to an infinite progression in the other direction.Tell me, IaJ, since "all things have a center," what is the center of this ray? Feel free to simple insert the word "center" into the ray wherever you think the center is. You aren't even making sense. "The location of the surface is in the center of the surface? What? So the location of the surface of my skin is in the center of my body? You must be insane.If you think you're making sense, you're insane.The surface of the Earth is not abstract. it is a physical thing, and you are resting on it right this very second.This is not an abstract question, so stop backpedaling and give us an answer. What is the latitude and longitude of the center of the surface of the Earth? What is your reason for choosing this location? That definition works for a line segment only, where there are defined "ends." A sphere has no defined end. A ray has only one defined end. A line is infinite in both directions. A plane extends infinitely in two entire dimensions. Where are the centers of these geometric objects?

You're the one claiming the surface of the Earth has a center, since all objects apparently have one. Word salad. Do you speak English? because you sure could have fooled me.The surface of the Earth is not virtual in any way. it's a physical thing. Again, you're standing on it, right now.If you really believe the surface of the Earth is "virtual," seek professional help. The surface area of a board is incredibly simple to compute. In your case, the surface area of a 1x2x4 cube would be 28 square feet (assuming your measurements were in feet, though it doesn't really matter).Where would the center of this surface be, IaJ? You can point to the center of any of the six rectangles that make up the surface, but which do you choose? All six are equally "centers," so there is no true center of the surface of your board, either.You can calculate the surface area of a sphere, too, you know. The surface area of the Earth is 510,065,600 square kilometers. Where is teh center of the surface, IaJ?

If you believe so, then you either need to re-read my post, or take a beginner's geometry class. A ray has no center. You claim all things have centers. The surface of a sphere is viewable as well. You can see it any time you pick up a ball or a globe. Can you point to the center of the surface of a ball or glove, IaJ? Pick one, your choice, any spherical object.At this point my only conclusion is that you are an idiot. Elementary school students can grasp these very basic concepts, and you are failing at every turn.

I didn't give the volume at all, moron. I specifically gave the surface area of the Earth. Note the "square km" units, not cubic.Do you speak English? I gave the full surface area of the Earth. Land and water are treated the same, national boundaries are not considered. Where is the center? It's a real, measurable quantity, as demonstrated because I gave you the freaking measurement.Where is the center? Give me a location, or retract. No more bullshit, IaJ.

Our math is not erroneous. your comprehension level is simply below that of a child. Nobody said it was infinite - in fact, that was why it was used as an example in the first place!The surface of a sphere is unbounded, meaning it has no distinct beginning or end, and yet it is finite - its surface area is a measurable quantity. Because it has no beginning or end, it has no center. It is an example of an unbounded, finite object just as the universe is, and such objects do not have a center. Bullshit. The surface of the Earth is not virtual, its a physical, real, measurable thing. I have you its surface area. You once again failed to give the center. The Unvierse is not infinite, it is boundless and finite, like the surface of a sphere. Obviously, you are failing to comprehend. You think the surface of a sphere has a center. You think the surface of the Earth is "academic" rather than physical.You're an idiot, IaJ. I know inanimate objects with more brainpower than you. Go enroll in kindergarten and learn a few things.

I gave you the dimensions of the surface of teh Earth, moron. I also gave you the surface area of the piece of wood you used as an example. You have still failed to provide the location ofthe center of the surface for either object.Let's try with your 12" string example. If we tie the two ends together and make the string into a circle, where is the beginning? Where is the end? Where is the center of the string, and why do you choose that location?The circle made by the string has no boundary - it has no beginning or end - and yet it is finite - it is still a 12" string - and has no center on the string itself. I've asked you very specifically to give the latitude and longitude of the center of the surface of teh Earth. Repeatedly. "Hovers the Earth" is a meaningless statement - the surface does not "hover" at all, it's simply the outermost edge of the Earth's crust. It's a 2-dimensional structure measured in square kilometers that takes the shape of a rough sphere. The "depth" of the surface is not a meaningful consideration, as a surface has no depth. This is why surface area is measured in square units rather than cubic (which would be a measurement of volume, as you incorrectly identified the surface area of teh Earth when I gave it to you). Shut up with your insane nonsense about abstract vs actual structures. The Universe is an actual structure. The surface of teh Earth is a real structure. Neither are abstract.I honestly hope Percy bans you expressly for the amount of nonsense contained in each one of your posts in this thread, even though it's in Free For All. The surface of a sphere example is used becasue it is analogous to the Universe as a whole in that it demonstrates a structure that is finite, yet unbounded, and that such structures have no identifiable center.You've spent the remainder of the converstation mixing up area for volume, using inccorrect (and not even consistent) definitions for geometry terms, speaking absolute nonsense, and generally making yourself look like a compelte fool as you consistently refuse to actually answer any question posed to you.So, I will ask again: The Earth being a physical example of a rough sphere, what is the location of the center of its surface? You may give latitude and longitude, or you may give a rough geological location - either is fine. If you cannot identify the location of the center of the surface of a sphere such as the Earth, this will be a tacit admission that you can also not back up your claim that the Universe must have a center.Put up or shut up, IaJ. We are tired of your nonsense arguments. it's time to either admit that you were wrong, or identify the location of the center of the surface of the Earth.We're waiting.

WHAT?!I have you the surface area of the Earth.SURFACE area. SURFACE area.The surface area of the Earth cannot, by fucking definition, be any different from the measurement of the surface! THAT'S WHAT SURFACE AREA MEANS!This is, without a doubt or exaggeration, the least intelligent conversation I have ever had. I'm not joking, Im not poking fun - you are the least intelligent person I have ever met, including toddlers. Seek help. I'd say that the moron is the person insisting that the surface area is not a measurement of a surface.I'd say that's one of the dumbest things I have ever heard, ever. WHAT THE FUCK IS GLOW?!You have stopped referring to reality, and are now trapped in some magic fairy-land.The measurement of a surface is the suface area. Given a peice of wood cut in a cube with the measurements 1x2x4 as you provided, the surface area, the measurement of the surface, is 28 square units, since you did not include units (not that they matter).There is no such thing as glow, you imbecile. You fail the most basic thing you learn in geometry. They literally teach this stuff in elementary school, and you make up nonsensical terms like "glow."5th graders are laughing at you, IaJ. You fail to comprehend the difference between "infinite" and "boundaryless." They are different terms that mean compeltely ifferent things, which is the fucking reason I've been using both terms.A 12" bit of string fashioned into a ring has no beginning or end, no boundary, and yet it is finite. There is still only 12" of string, and will only ever be 12" of string, but there is no boundary to it. Becasue there is no boundary, every single point in the string ring is identical, and it has no center on the string itself.You most certainly have bnever shown anything about the universe. All you've shown so far is that you lack the most basic of reasoning skills that children can master given very little practice. You've proven to be a loudmouthed idiot of the highest order, capable only of spewing sewage from your fingertips and claiming your waste of forum space has something to do with reality.You. Are. An. Idiot.ICANT never grasped the Big bang model after over 4 threads of trying, but he at least responded intelligently even if he was consistently wrong.You, sir, are so far from the mark that if you were playing darts, your shot wouldn't even be in the same boundaryless-but-finite Universe. The makers of Jackass are more intelligent than you are. I'm shocked and amazed that you seem to have learned how to type, becasue typically those who display this level of a lack of comprehension of basic concepts still can't color inside the lines, and are more likely to eat the crayon! Trajectories are irrelevant when considering surface area, or determining whether a structure has a boundary or center.What has escaped you is what I had until now always assumed was common sense posessed by every human being without a serious mental handicap. Thank you for lowering my expectations. Volume and area are compeltely different things, cretin. O refer you once again to your fifth grade mathematics textbook. Should I look one up and quote to you exactly why elementary school students know you're full of shit? This sentence doesn't make sense. Are you atempting to evade because you know you're wrong?I doubt it. I believe you legitimately think you're right. Sad.The term "surface" is the fucking point of the question! The surface of a sphere, such as the surface of teh Earth, the surface of a ball, the surface of teh moon, all of these are structures that are finite, yet boundaryless, and which have no center. This is directly contrary to your claim, which makes you wrong. "Glow" is not a term in geometry. you made it up. It has no relevance to the question. Wood, for example, like the bit of wood you wanted to use at one point, does not "glow."This is why you are an idiot. A SURFACE DOES NOT HAVE A VOLUME, AS VOLUME REQUIRES THREE DIMENSIONS AND THE TERM SURFACE REFERS ONLY TO TWO. THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH HAS NO VOLUME.the surface of the Earth is measured in square kilometers, as I gave you much earlier.The surface area of the Earth is 510,065,600 km^2The volume of the Earth is 1083206246123080894.852 km^3Note that the units of these two measurements are compeltely different, and that the numbers are also compeltely different. That's becasue volume and surface area are different things.See, the surface area measures the surface of an object. The volume measures the space displaced by the object. They are different, IaJ, and only fucking surface area is fucking relevant to the fucking question!Now, IaJ, since you seem to be intellectually incapable of telling the difference between counter space and how much water a given jar holds, I'll answer this insipid little question for you. Let's see if your tiny little mind can keep up.From Mirriam-Webster:

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Surface
1sur·face
Pronunciation:
\sr-fs\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French, from Middle French, from sur- + face face, from Old French ” more at face
Date:
circa 1600

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1: the exterior or upper boundary of an object or body
2: a plane or curved two-dimensional locus of points (as the boundary of a three-dimensional region)

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The surface of the Earth takes the form of a rough sphere. It's surface area is 510,065,600 km^2. It is finite, not infinite. The Earth is only so large. It does not go on forever. And yet, the Earth has no "beginning" point, and no "ending" point. The Earth, being spherical, is not like a line segment. This means the surface has no boundary, despite being finite. These are two different terms. The surface as measured by the surface area, is only the outermost edge of teh Earth, not including the atmosphere - it's literally just the ground you're sitting on and the surface of the oceans. It has no depth, becasue a surface is defined as a two-dimensional term. Because the surface of teh Earth has no beginning point and no ending point, it is impossible to determine what is "halfway" between the beginnign and ending points. This means that there is no center to the surface of the Earth. If you take your finger to a globe and point at the center from any direction, all of the places you touch the surface are equally the center and are indistinguishable from one another. The term center is meaningless when referring to the surface of a sphere.The surface of a sphere is a finite (it does not go on forever, it has a definite size) yet unbounded (it has no "boundaries," no beginning or ending points) structure that posesses no center.You. Are. Wrong.I cannot believe I have participated in such an utterly retarded conversation. I feel dirty in my brain because of your idiocy.

Actually, close enough. There is no objective center - all points on the surface of a sphere are indistinguishable from one another. They are all equally the center, which is why the word "center" has no meaning whatsoever as it applies to the surface of a sphere.