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Message 60 of 301 (466072)
05-13-2008 12:21 AM

Reply to: Message 49 by Son Goku
05-12-2008 7:50 PM

Re: Sphere

Son Goku writes:

If you believe the Earth's surface has a centre, please say in plain english where you believe it is. Just name the place, i.e. Tehran, Iran or something similar.

I'm a sucker for trick questions but I want to try anyway.

In relation to me the center of the surface of the earth is whereever I am at on the surface of the earth at the moment.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 86 of 301 (466154)
05-13-2008 10:00 AM

Reply to: Message 76 by Rrhain
05-13-2008 6:33 AM

Re: Sphere

Hi Rrhain,

Rrhain writes:

This is part of the reason that we say the universe has no center: It looks to me like everything is expanding away from me just as it looks to you like everything is expanding away from you. Well, it can't be both, therefore it must be neither.

I did not mention anything about the universe.

The surface of the earth is not expanding like the universe.

I did qualify my statement.

In relation to me.

Where I am at on the surface. (My body touching the physical surface.)

The same applies in relation to you or anyone else.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 92 of 301 (466187)
05-13-2008 12:39 PM

Reply to: Message 89 by ramoss
05-13-2008 10:42 AM

Re: Sphere

Double post

Edited by ICANT, : double post

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 93 of 301 (466190)
05-13-2008 12:58 PM

Reply to: Message 89 by ramoss
05-13-2008 10:42 AM

Re: Sphere

ramoss writes:

However, you are thinking of the universe as a 3d object. Yet, it isn't. It is at least 4D.

Hold on tiger I did not say the center of the surface of the universe was where I was standing on the surface of the universe.

I think that would be impossible as I can't get outside of the universe to stand on the surface of the universe.

In my avatar there are the three proposed shapes of the universe if I was standing on the surface of any of them and I looked up I would see nothing.

While on the subject I have a question maybe someone could answer.

If the universe was contained in something the size of a pea and that universe began to expand, would it not expand in all directions the same?

Would not the universe still be inside of this inflated pea?

Would the surface of the pea be the outer limits of the universe?

I know that is not the picture that is presented. But unless the universe was on the outside of the pea it has to be.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 95 of 301 (466197)
05-13-2008 1:54 PM

Reply to: Message 94 by cavediver
05-13-2008 1:41 PM

Re: Sphere

cavediver writes:

What is this? Some sort of competition between IaJ, Buz and ICANT to see who can portray the greatest level of ignorance of cosmology???

That is my title and I got to make sure I keep it.

Now you want to explain what I would see if I was standing on the surface of the universe and looked up what I would see.

Remember I am on the surface not inside the universe.

If I am on the surface I am on the outside.

Thanks,

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 99 of 301 (466209)
05-13-2008 3:24 PM

Reply to: Message 96 by cavediver
05-13-2008 2:19 PM

Re: Sphere

cavediver writes:

Take a long look around yourself... what you see IS the surface we are talking about.

I did look around.

I am sitting in my house.
My house has eight exterior walls, a floor and a ceiling.
As I sit in my house I can look up and I see the ceiling.
If I want to stand on the surface of my house not in my house I have to go outside my house. Since gravity will not let me stand on any of the eight exterior walls or the floor, to stand on the surface of my house I have to go on the roof to stand on the surface of my house.

When I stand on the roof of my house which is located on the planet earth in the Milky Way galaxy and look up I see some light clouds and a couple of dark ones. I also see the sun. If I had thought to have brought my telescope up on the roof I could look off into the universe that spreads out over a vast distance in any direction I choose as long as I am not looking towards the sun. Would be much easier at night. But you did not give me that option.

cavediver writes:

Outside???

Sounds highly dangerous...

I think standing on the surface of the universe would be very dangerous. There would be an absence of anything there but me. I think God and the angels are the only ones who can look at the surface of the universe.

But that is just my old demented mind doing that dangerous thing of thinking which Catholic Scientist told me to quit doing several months ago.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 100 of 301 (466211)
05-13-2008 3:40 PM

Re-Spherical Issues

In Message 93 I stated the following:

In my avatar there are the three proposed shapes of the universe if I was standing on the surface of any of them and I looked up I would see, nothing.

While on the subject I have a question maybe someone could answer.

If the universe was contained in something the size of a pea and that universe began to expand, would it not expand in all directions the same?

Would not the universe still be inside of this inflated pea?

Would the surface of the pea be the outer limits of the universe?

Would anyone like to seriously discuss any of these three questions?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 111 of 301 (466380)
05-14-2008 9:26 PM

Reply to: Message 107 by IamJoseph
05-14-2008 9:04 AM

Re: Don't Waste Time

IamJoseph writes:

By zooming inside, past the percieved sphere's surface. Here, we find many centres, and this 'many' is accounted for because we are moving from one point of the sphere surface to another, which is not factored with the perception image and its conclusion.

I kinda thought the inside center of a sphere was 1/2 D in all directions.

I kinda thought the outside center was any place that you chose for it to be. If you were small enough to stand on it any way that you looked it would be the same distance around the sphere to your backside. Sounds like the center to me.

Correct me if my assumptions are wrong.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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