I just want to highlight a few points IamJoseph has made to see if the discussion will play any different:
First
A center is defined only by the observers position relative to the object under question. (81a) Multiple centers exist for any one object.(132) Describing any number of following points as a center does not negate the validity of describing the first point as a center. (114) The universe, being composed of all points that could be an observers position, is therefore best described as having a center in every point that exists. (81b)
Conclusion: Everything is the center of everything else.
Message 81a writes:
a center is only subject to one's position, namely that position must be constant while addressing the center.
Message 132 writes:
In fact it means there are two centres, each applicable to one's position. Nothing more.
Message 114 writes:
who's says that is that because there are other centres, it negates one centre? The original agreed centre still stands and is never negated. Who says that there are many centres in the first place?
Message 81b writes:
The same reasoning exposes why the universe MUST have a centre - even when we traverse the uni and can nominate other centers. Here, we have moved our position - the has to be another centre from that new position.
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Though examples have been presented that show spherical shapes that have been measured in miles, inches, etc ...)
Conclusion: A "surface" does not exist in reality.
Message 103 writes:
To prove that a surface is not an actuality, one must take that surface in his hand, re-sculpt it into a sphere - and this will show a centre; if he cannot perform that feat, it is proof he is dealing with an abstract.
Message 103 writes:
While a 2- or 3-D is irrelevent here, the notion you are presenting (a ball, a sphere) is that of a virtual premise which is not related to actuality.
Message 118 writes:
My position is, a 'surface', not a centre, is an objective term - unless it is also qualified with actual, impirical values [miles, inches, etc].
Message 140 writes:
The fact is, regardless of the factors presented, it is still concerning a most meagre, desperate and flimsy item such as 'surface' - one which existence is also subject to the academic only.
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