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lyx2no
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Message 3 of 301 (465846)
05-11-2008 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by IamJoseph
05-11-2008 1:24 AM


Who, Me?
Firstly, your use of the English language seems rather absurd and I suspect specifically designed to not be understood, therefore setting your opponent continually off balance. Even when an opponent does think he has managed to glean your meaning he has no way to be sure.
The English language has been invented already, but if you insist on doing it again you can start by defining “actuals” for me. As you have used the word in context with such phrases as “5 degrees” , “2 km” , miles and centimeters, I’ve assumed by "actual" you mean actual or specific values and units. But, you see, I don’t know this because your bloated prose aren’t user friendly.
I intend to stop the discussion every time you use a word or phrase that I think peculiar and request a translation. It would be far easier on us both if you’d just use the colloquial right off the bat. If you have to pretend I'm 10 to do it, do it.
Secondly, I’m going to hound one point at a time. I’m not going to try to remember ten points you haven’t bothered to answer all at the same time. Serially, fine. In a lump, not on your life.
Point one:
Yes, actuals were requested, while abstracts were tended as the given data. Yes, it is necessary to first convert the abstract to actuals, before asking an answer in that mode.
After you define “actuals”, the question put before you, and a question to be put before you anon, was: What are the coordinates of the center of the surface of a sphere? What “actuals” are asked for?
I’ll walk this point backward until I reach the base of our disagreement if I have to go back to 2nd grade arithmetic class and walk it back up to Geometry 101 before I’ll consider another point, so don’t waste time.
P.S. I have read the entire post.
P.P.S. I have had several surgeries in the last few weeks, and I'll be in again Tuesday morning. I'll respond as I am able.
Edited by lyx2no, : Emphasize "don't waste time".

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Message 5 of 301 (465851)
05-11-2008 3:23 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Rahvin
05-11-2008 2:31 AM


Witness for the Prosecution
Hello Rahvin:
May I put you to service as a witness as it were?
Asked to find the center of the line whose end points are Pa (xa, ya) and Pb (xb, yb) one can easily define the center as Pcenter (xa + xb/2, ya + yb/2). No one has asked for an “actual”, and no one has given an “actual”, yet the question was satisfied.
Has the question been satisfied?
I’ll be quoting you at some point down the line. I sense it will be very far down the line.

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lyx2no
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Message 7 of 301 (465857)
05-11-2008 3:43 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by IamJoseph
05-11-2008 3:34 AM


Don't Waste Time
Point one:
Yes, actuals were requested, while abstracts were tended as the given data. Yes, it is necessary to first convert the abstract to actuals, before asking an answer in that mode.
After you define “actuals”, the question put before you, and a question to be put before you anon, was: What are the coordinates of the center of the surface of a sphere? What “actuals” are asked for?
I’ll walk this point backward until I reach the base of our disagreement if I have to go back to 2nd grade arithmetic class and walk it back up to Geometry 101 before I’ll consider another point, so don’t waste time.

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lyx2no
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Message 10 of 301 (465869)
05-11-2008 6:03 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by IamJoseph
05-11-2008 4:29 AM


Re: Don't Waste Time
What “actuals” are asked for?
don’t waste time.

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lyx2no
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Message 11 of 301 (465872)
05-11-2008 6:25 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by IamJoseph
05-11-2008 4:19 AM


You are Wasting Time
I have read every word of these arguments. Their repetition is not the resolution. Your statements are wrong. Your supporting arguments are wrong. Or I am wrong. If I am wrong you should be able to tell me what "actuals" are and what "actuals" were asked for.

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Message 53 of 301 (466063)
05-12-2008 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by IamJoseph
05-12-2008 11:11 PM


Re: Don't Waste Time
One could of course make the string infinitely long by cutting off the ends with a pair of scissors. Bet you never thought of that.
But to get back on topic: The surface of the Earth is the bit that keeps hitting you in the face because you tied your shoelaces together again. It isn't hovering above the ground at some unknown elevation. Unless you're one of those cannibals that keep playing that enticing music that lures us to the big steel door while that annoying man keeps yelling "Reena' ” Dude, give it a break. can't you see we're gellin'. But if you are, then the surface is that place you dare not go till nightfall. That very well might be the case. It does appear you're head is somewhere where the Sun don't shine.
Edited by lyx2no, : To remove a little joke too subtle for even me to get, and I told it.

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lyx2no
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Message 58 of 301 (466070)
05-13-2008 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by IamJoseph
05-12-2008 11:47 PM


Re: Don't Waste Time
A surface has no volume. Could you please hold your breath while you wait for reality to change to suit you?
The surface of a sphere is all point that satify the equation (x-xo)2 + (y-yo)2 + (z-zo)2 = R2. While no two points can be in the same direction, no point can be farther from Po(xo, yo, zo) then any other. That makes the surface of a sphere 2D. Volumes are 3D. That is if one is talking about "volumes" as used in English speaking countries.

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Message 65 of 301 (466078)
05-13-2008 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by IamJoseph
05-13-2008 12:41 AM


Re: Don't Waste Time
I don't mean to seem harsh, but I think you might be mistaken about that hovering surface idea.

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Message 69 of 301 (466084)
05-13-2008 1:42 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by IamJoseph
05-13-2008 1:20 AM


IaJ Unanimously Agrees with Self
The sphear has an identifiable centre, by virtue of its actual dimensions being given .
No one has asked about the center of a sphere. We all (excluding you) know where that is. We asked about the center of the surface of the sphere, which none of us (excluding You) know where is.
As for the rest of it, if I'm not mistaken, you've just agreed with yourself in no uncertain terms in several dozen uncertain terms.

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lyx2no
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Message 70 of 301 (466085)
05-13-2008 1:58 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by IamJoseph
05-13-2008 1:28 AM


Re: Don't Waste Time
The surface of a sphere is all point that satify the equation (x - xo)2 + (y - yo)2 + (z - zo)2 = R2.
This "relevent formular", as you call them, gives every single point on the surface of a sphere: Which one of the infinite combinations of P(x, y, z) is the center point?
You do agree that the center of the surface of a sphere is on the surface of the sphere, don't you? 'cause if it is then that "formular" will give it.
AbE:
Even when the surface is used to denote it does not have a centre?
I double dog dare you to parse that thing.
Edited by lyx2no, : As shown

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lyx2no
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Message 80 of 301 (466139)
05-13-2008 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Granny Magda
05-13-2008 8:02 AM


Re: CUTTING TO THE CHASE SCENE
Good morning Granny Magda:
Before using the word "sic" in quotes from other members, it might be nice if you were to actually learn the language yourself. Sic-ing people over trivial perceived errors is childish and arrogant.
I think it’s even better than that. I can’t find an error or who he’s quoting. I think he just wrongly sic -ed himself.
At best it’s a semiquote* mine.
* Made it up all by myself.

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Message 110 of 301 (466376)
05-14-2008 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by IamJoseph
05-14-2008 9:04 AM


Re: Don't Waste Time
IaJ:
You are standing somewhere on a disk that has a radius of 10 kilometers. You have a laser theodolite and target and a souped-up golf cart.
Talk (Type) me through your mechanical process of locating the center.
Skip your theory if you would and stick to the Queen’s English.
Thanks.

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Message 113 of 301 (466384)
05-14-2008 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by ICANT
05-14-2008 9:26 PM


You've Hit the Nail on the Head: Sort Of
On the surface of an undifferentiated sphere all points would appear to be the center. A naive person could assume himself to be at the center of this World. (The Earth isn't even undifferentiated and every ancient society has historically thought itself at the center of the World.) But as the person strolled around a good bit, it at some point would occur to him that no matter how far or in which direction he went he could never leave what appeared to be the center of the World. He'd soon realize "center" had no real meaning on the World.
Edited by lyx2no, : Grammar

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Message 119 of 301 (466431)
05-15-2008 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by IamJoseph
05-15-2008 1:56 AM


I'll Try Again
IaJ:
You are standing somewhere on a disk that has a radius of 10 kilometers. You have a laser theodolite and target and a souped-up golf cart.
Talk (Type) me through your mechanical process of locating the center.
Skip your theory if you would and stick to the Queen’s English.
Thanks.

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Message 121 of 301 (466436)
05-15-2008 3:08 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by IamJoseph
05-15-2008 2:30 AM


Re: I'll Try Again
Point A.
This would not be an explanation of a mechanical process.

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