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Author Topic:   What specific evidence would people require to believe in God's existence?
Larni
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Message 13 of 222 (323482)
06-19-2006 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mjfloresta
06-15-2006 12:21 AM


I would like something like use of a Divine Salient Ability such as:
DIVINE CREATION
Prerequisites: Divine rank 16, Int 29, Create Object salient divine ability, Create Greater Object salient divine ability.
Benefit: As a full-round action, the deity can create mortal creatures or magic items whose total weight is up to 100 pounds per divine rank, or with a total volume of 20 cubic feet per rank. If the deity uses this ability on a divinely morphic plane or within its own godly realm, double the volume and weight the deity can create. If the deity’s realm is located on a divinely morphic plane, triple the volume and weight the deity can create there.
Notes: This ability works like the Create Greater Object ability, except as noted below.
A deity can use this ability to create any kind of creature that does not have a divine rank. The deity can create a creature with class levels, but never with more class levels than the deity has itself or the deity’s divine rank, whichever is lower.
Rest: The deity must convert a considerable amount of its own energy into a creature, which always leaves the deity impaired. The deity must rest for 10 minutes the creature’s Hit Dice the creature’s Challenge Rating for each creature created, with a minimum of 10 minutes per creature. If the creature has class levels, each level counts as an additional Hit Die.
The deity can create any kind of magic item except an artifact.
The rest requirement for creating magic items is the same as for the Create Greater object ability.
Suggested Portfolio Elements: Crafts, creation, supreme.
Ok, so it looks like I'm taking the piss. But it is this type of thing that would make me sit up and take notice.
A warm feeling when I see a rainbow does not cut it.

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Larni
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Message 46 of 222 (324725)
06-22-2006 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by mjfloresta
06-21-2006 2:17 PM


Re: Definition of God
You know, I'm begining to think that you could never have a proof for a gods' existance as you define it.
I (for one) would always wonder: "Is this god fellow really a technologically advanced alien doing a number on me?"
Mesopotamian gods were supposed to have come from the planet Nibiru and they lorded it over us for (if you accept the King List) 450,000 yrs).
You could never really tell if the second coming was in fact a clever visitor form anothe world with a 2nd class degree in xenosocial-psychology.
Millions believe in gods without any proof, just imagine what some sort of proof would do!

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Larni
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Message 50 of 222 (325217)
06-23-2006 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Omnivorous
06-22-2006 11:51 PM


Re: Definition of God
Omnivorous writes:
It almost seems as though we've evolved (culturally!) to the point where anything less than omnipotence is not worth the candle,
That would be Power Creep.
With every new edition or source book you get things with greater powers.
Omnivorius writes:
For example, the god that made us doesn't have to be the god that made the universe.
Thats what I like about Sumerian gods. I believe it was Enki who created humans (as workers) and had dominion over water and knowledge (among other things), but he did not create the world. In fact none of the Sumerain gods did. They came from the planet Nibiru.
Much better class of gods I reckon, than the handfull of buggers we have to choose between now.
Edited by Larni, : Interactive menus.

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Larni
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Message 51 of 222 (325218)
06-23-2006 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by ReverendDG
06-22-2006 11:16 PM


Re: Definition of God
I think thats the thing really, when you start asking what constitutes a god you start asking quesions like "how can I possibly draw the line between god and not god?"
Is a god just someone who can juggle vast amounts of energy?
I'm getting to that point you get to when you say a word over and over and it loses its' meaning.
Divine has lost it's meaning for me.

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Larni
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Message 54 of 222 (325284)
06-23-2006 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Omnivorous
06-23-2006 10:56 AM


Re: Definition of God
Omnivorous writes:
I've been thinking of it as oneupsmanship, where cultures raise their conception of the divine to exceed that of their neighbors or new subjects
Never thought of it like that. I assumed it was just a natural exageration effect with each telling of the tale, but it makes perfect sense that one would big up one's god to keep it the biggest bad ass on the block.
Reminds me of a song from an old satire show called 'Spitting Image' called 'Our god is bigger than your god'.

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Larni
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From: Liverpool
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Message 55 of 222 (325290)
06-23-2006 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by rgb
06-22-2006 12:48 PM


Re: Definition of God
rgb writes:
Just less than a decade ago, hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of third world people believed in scam artists that claimed they could remove the bad parts of your body without making incisions. All the scammers did was spill some red liquid on the stomach of the sick, pretend like his fingers are going into the body, and then pretend like he was removing little pieces of stuff. Naturally, noone was allowed to come in contact with those bad little pieces of stuff from that person's stomach.
It's this credulous attitude by religious types that confuses me so much.
You have to wonder why people don't do more thinking.

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