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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
were the Canaanite nations (about 8) for certain acts of depravity including homosexuality, burning children to their idols (sodomy, bestiality, loathsome vices, etal), when the earth itself begins to vomit for the foulness of such things. (See Leviticus Chapter 18, and Deuteronomy 7:1-5; 20:15-18).
Marked for extermination means.....when Israel left Egypt to return to the promised land then occupied by Canaanites, Israel was commissioned to end, eradicate, completely destroy said Canaanites for said reasons. The issue in its entirety does not hang on a couple of OT or NT verses. Study to show yourself approved.....search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
there is no condemnation of lobster or other food determined unfit for food.
Lobsters, pigs, shrimps, etc., are good for the purpose for which they were made. Garbage disposals. They eat scum, dead stuff, a pig will eat you if you are clumsy enough to get in its way. You want to eat stuff that eats filth is your affair.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, actually, there is no rhyme or reason to the food proscriptions just as there is no rhyme or reason to the proscriptions against homosexuality.
From good old Leviticus...
10: And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: 11: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. 12: Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you. 13: And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, 14: And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; 15: Every raven after his kind; 16: And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, 17: And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, 18: And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, 19: And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. 20: All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you. The Eagle and the Osprey are both hunters as well as owls, swan, pelicans, storks, herons, and bats. They in fact eat many of the same things that were allowed as clean food. Other than as a way to differentiate the Hebrews from surrounding tribes, there is little reason behind any of the proscriptions such as dietary or sexuality. It was far more a tattoo, a secret decoder ring or a gang sign than for any legitimate reason. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
20: All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you. !!!!????
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Hey, I didn't write it.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You know, it's funny because that verse is written by the very people that the literalist say we should us as the final Authority. This is an example of the belief system, of the folk that know KIND and that know secrets we have yet to discover.
The Bible was written by people who did not understand the world around them. It is not a fault, but a fact. They simply did not have the thousands of years of observations that we have accumulated since then. There will the those that say "God dictated and directed every title and dot" but surely God did not warn folk about " All fowls that creep, going upon all four". Well, I tend to think that there might be other things in the Bible that kinda got mangled in the translation as well. I still believe, that when most Atheist and homosexuals die, they will find the Pearly Gates thrown open wide in welcome while the likes of Dr. "Beam the money up " Scott, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker and almost all the other Evangelists will not even get near the backdoor. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6052 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
but surely God did not warn folk about "All fowls that creep, going upon all four". Why not? I'm sure there are some that would argue that all of the fowl matching this description died in the flood - you see, the faster flying fowl got to the ark in time, while those slow creeping fowl didn't quite make it. I'm sure we'll find four-legged fowl fossils some day soon...
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
different translation. Modern King James; New English Translation.
"Peteinon" (fowl), formerly denoted all flying creatures. (for verse 20) So, don't wear a big smile while biking. Cactus and Scrub and yellow grass
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6052 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
"Peteinon" (fowl), formerly denoted all flying creatures. (for verse 20) Translation issues are important. But it seems to be in a pretty bird-centric context to me... And your definition of "all flying creatures" seems to contradict the creeping-on-all-fours bit, since you would have creeping creatures and not flying creatures. What flying creatures do you know of that creep along the ground on all fours? Injured bats, perhaps? I'd say the intent of the verse was all flightless birds (like those dastardly penguins), but I believe that would rule out most chickens, no?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
PecosGeorge writes: Try adifferent translation. And that, my friend, is the beauty of the Bible as a source and guide. If you don't like what it says, then just pick a different translation. Find a reference in the Bible that is opposed to homesexuality? All that is needed to refute it is to find the version of the Bible that does NOT include such a reference. See...
Message 6Message 10 Message 14 for examples. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
years in the desert, they must have understood something about the world around them. Food preservation, water filtration, cleanliness, (bury excreta for reasons of sanitation). Mathematics, finding their way.....by what? Using the stars for navigation? (Magi for example)
Enjoy! Cactus and Scrub and yellow grass
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But what does any of that have to do with the tpoic or most anything else for that matter?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
message 31 for on-topic.
I responded to a remark made about lobster. Arie gur Yehuda is the only lion, Aslan by any other name, tame is how you know him now....but when he comes again with power and great glory, how will he appear to you?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Okay, but I still don't understand the relevance to the thread at all
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Arie gur Yehuda is the only lion, Aslan by any other name, tame is how you know him now....but when he comes again with power and great glory, how will he appear to you? Hopefully bearing waffles. I haven't had waffles in ages. "Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown On a backwards river the infidels shiver in the stench of belief. And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late; I'm over the rails and out of the race The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw are ringing in my ears" -Beck
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