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Author Topic:   Did Jesus Exist?
Brian
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Message 11 of 302 (275984)
01-05-2006 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by riVeRraT
01-05-2006 7:12 AM


Outside of circular reasoning, you know, using a source to prove that the same source is correct.
There is a source that names Jesus' father as Pantera, a Roman centurian. Now, any objective historian faced with the two sources about Jesus daddy would have to conclude that Jesus was the son of a Roman centurian. It sure explains a lot.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 16 of 302 (276008)
01-05-2006 9:02 AM
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01-05-2006 8:41 AM


Celsus
Doesn't Celsus mention the Pantera scenario as well? (was he just quoting Talmud?)
What I mean, from a historical research viewpoint, is that if we have one source claiming a miraculous conception, and one claiming a normal conception, a historian must believe the normal conception over the fairytale one.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 21 of 302 (276035)
01-05-2006 10:51 AM
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01-05-2006 10:44 AM


Re: fictional
what is the message?
It is easy to fool some of the people all of the time?
But, seriously, taking for granted that there was a real Jesus, if we consider all the unlikely and the impossible events attached to him, isn't it just plausible that Jesus may have been an sort of Arthurian legend. A real person who didn't do a fraction of what was attributed to him, and only a fraction of what was said to have happened to him is true?
Personally, I find the entire episode of His arrest, trial and execution completley impossible.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 23 of 302 (276041)
01-05-2006 11:30 AM
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01-05-2006 11:28 AM


Re: curious
It would only take one to witness it.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 32 of 302 (276066)
01-05-2006 1:14 PM
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01-05-2006 1:12 PM


Re: more evidence: Jesus or Nessie?
It is evidence babe, just extremely poor evidence.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 43 of 302 (276086)
01-05-2006 1:38 PM


Nessie as Messiah?
If there was some way to link Nessie to Solomon.............

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Brian
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Message 275 of 302 (277083)
01-08-2006 6:34 AM
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01-08-2006 3:17 AM


Faulty logic
The fact that so many believed and followed him and were willing to go to the lions for him means nothing I guess.
Many Muslims were/are willing to go to the 'lions' for Allah, therefore, by your logic, Allah is the one true God.
What people believe, and are prepared to die for, does not mean that the belief itself is true.
Brian.

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