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NosyNed
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Message 186 of 302 (276893)
01-07-2006 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Faith
01-07-2006 10:39 PM


Don't use names of fallacies if you don't know what they are.
The whole revisionist enterprise is nothing but an ad hominem attack.
Before you use terms like "ad hominem" you should learn what they mean.
In this case and "ad hominem" is an attempt to discredit/refute and idea by refering to who stated it. That is I might say General Relativity can't be right because Einstein was a womanizer.
If however, I show that the idea put forward is wrong then I have attacked the idea and, perhaps, indirectly the brilliance of the individual putting it forward. This difference is that the target is the idea not the individual. If the target is the individual, in an attempt to discredit an idea then that is an ad hominem.
If certain scholarly work suggests that generation of believing Christians do not have good evidence for the historical veracity of those beliefs or that some scholars have not used all available evidence or good logic in arriving at some conclusions that is NOT an ad hominem. Any conclusions that are drawn about the individuals is only drawn based on the quality of their support of an idea. This is not the same as thinking that you have argued against the idea by attempting to show that there is something wrong with the individual.
(As a small aside, since I'm sure you will have trouble with fine distinctions: I may say when an idea is put forward: "Oh, you want to believe something that Hovind says? " and suggest that the idea is wrong.
If I think that refutes the idea I have committed an ad hominem. However, if all I mean is that, given the past history of that source, we should put extra effort into examining it before giving it any credence then all I have shown is an ability to spend my time effectively by considering the source of information. )

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NosyNed
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Message 195 of 302 (276904)
01-07-2006 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Faith
01-07-2006 10:54 PM


Not an ad hominem
This might start to make you look a bit foolish Faith.
An ad hominem is a form of flaw in a supposedly logical argument.
An insult is NOT an ad hominem. The example you refer to is someone stateing an opinion of you it did no refer to any particular idea in any way to refute it or ague against it.
It was, or may be taken as, an insult. Not an ad hominem.
However, this post is neither an insult nor an ad hominem.
It is pointing out the facts. If you continue to use terms the definitions of which you don't know then you do indeed look foolish. (You may or may not actually BE foolish; that can not be determined from the information available here.)

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NosyNed
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Message 202 of 302 (276914)
01-07-2006 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Faith
01-07-2006 11:08 PM


Re: Not an ad hominem
There are many ways the term "ad hominem" is used and I was using it legitimately
I would be interested in your source for the definition you are using.

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