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Author Topic:   God, The Supernatural And the Three Laws
Buzsaw
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Message 106 of 147 (167389)
12-12-2004 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by CK
12-12-2004 1:03 PM


Re: Think energy.
ENERGY: The capacity for doing work as measured by the capability of doing work (potential energy) or the conversion of this capability to motion (kinetic energy). Energy has several forms, some of which are easily convertible and can be changed to another form useful for work. Most of the world's convertible energy comes from fossil fuels that are burned to produce heat that is then used as a transfer medium to mechanical or other means in order to accomplish tasks. Electrical energy is usually measured in kilowatt-hours, while heat energy is usually measured in British thermal units.
My Dictionary: Energy: "in physics, the capacity for doing work and overcoming resistance."
POWER: (physics) the rate of doing work; measured in watts (= joules/second)
My dictionary: Power: "ability to do, capacity to act; capability of performing or producing.
And your point is?
Where the shoe fits, apply it to the topic.

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Buzsaw
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Message 107 of 147 (167391)
12-12-2004 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by lfen
12-12-2004 1:33 PM


Re: Think energy.
If you don't have data how are you going to confirm that?
Confirm what specifically?
1. That the Biblical account is true, or.....
2. ....that the Biblical account as per my arguments do not violate td laws?
If you want confirmation that the account is true, open a thread and go for it. Otherwise you need to stick to refuting # 2.

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Buzsaw
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Message 108 of 147 (167393)
12-12-2004 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by lfen
12-12-2004 1:48 PM


Re: On topic.
The passages you have offered don't satisfy the laws of Thermodynamics.
How so?
You not established that the energy was anything that the laws apply to.
Why not?

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Buzsaw
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Message 109 of 147 (167397)
12-12-2004 2:20 PM


Now that I'm caught up on responses, I've been thinking about this discussion about God, the supernatural and 2ltd relative to the sabbath day, as initiated in Genesis one. Genesis one states that after God finished his work involving six creation days, he rested on the sabbath/7th day. This's interesting, relative to his power. It appears to implicate that God's entropy did, as per 2ltd, increase to the point of having need of a rest day for resustenance to his desired power maintenance. This also seems to indicate that there is an ebb and flow of energy and entropy between God, the creator and his created universe.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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DrJones*
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Message 110 of 147 (167401)
12-12-2004 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Buzsaw
12-12-2004 2:20 PM


It appears to implicate that God's entropy did, as per 2ltd, increase to the point of having need of a rest day for resustenance to his desired power maintenance
God having to rest shows that he does not have infinite power, thereby refuting one of your claims.

*not an actual doctor

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PaulK
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Message 111 of 147 (167403)
12-12-2004 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Buzsaw
12-12-2004 9:59 AM


Re: On topic.
quote:
The topic is not about substantiating the healing power of Christ, but as to whether or not the transferance of energy to effect the miracle satisfies or violates td laws.
And the answer is that we don't have enough information to tell.
Do you intend to provide the information we would need or is this topic a complete waste of time ?

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jar
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Message 112 of 147 (167408)
12-12-2004 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by PaulK
12-12-2004 2:31 PM


Re: On topic.
or is this topic a complete waste of time ?
I made that determination back in Message 79.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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lfen
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Message 113 of 147 (167429)
12-12-2004 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by PaulK
12-12-2004 2:31 PM


Re: On topic.
is this topic a complete waste of time ?
Well, Buz seems to be having fun. For me it's a lot like arguing with a fifth grader. The topic is meaningless and I'm wasting no more time on it.
lfen

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mikehager
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Message 114 of 147 (167430)
12-12-2004 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Buzsaw
12-12-2004 1:31 PM


Re: On topic.
Your the one that mentioned scintific principles, you goal moving son of a gun, you.
I am done. You are entitled to believe what you want, and if that includes thermodynamically correct deities that's fine. Just don't expect anyone else to take such nonsense seriously.

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Buzsaw
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Message 115 of 147 (167440)
12-12-2004 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by DrJones*
12-12-2004 2:24 PM


God having to rest shows that he does not have infinite power, thereby refuting one of your claims.
If he has the power to operate and control the entire universe as supreme majesty and creator of the universe, I don't think he has a power problem. My remarks pertained to how he seems to function relative to the scientific laws observed.
Sending his only born son, Jesus to suffer and die for the sins of his fallen creatures was certainly an increase in the entropy of the trinity, but the resurrection suddenly reversed that. So we see the ebb and flow regulated by god of energy to suit his purpose.

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Buzsaw
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Message 116 of 147 (167447)
12-12-2004 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by PaulK
12-12-2004 2:31 PM


Re: On topic.
And the answer is that we don't have enough information to tell.
There is enough infomation in the texts as stated, but of course, not enough to prove that the miracle occured.
Do you intend to provide the information we would need or is this topic a complete waste of time?
I've provided all the information needed for the purpose of the thread. Whether it's a waste of your time depends on how interested you are in the information which I've provided as well of the responses. Likely you've learned something pertaining to my topic to think about which you were not aware of before it was submitted. Nobody's dragged you in kicking and screaming have they?

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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CK
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Message 117 of 147 (167448)
12-12-2004 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Buzsaw
12-12-2004 4:51 PM


quote:
Sending his only born son, Jesus to suffer and die for the sins of his fallen creatures was certainly an increase in the entropy of the trinity, but the resurrection suddenly reversed that. So we see the ebb and flow regulated by god of energy to suit his purpose.
WTF? Is this meant to be a wind-up?

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Buzsaw
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Message 118 of 147 (167451)
12-12-2004 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by CK
12-12-2004 5:39 PM


Batter up!
Is this meant to be a wind-up?
I guess that depends on whether any counterparts step up to bat who can hit the ball for a run.

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CK
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Message 119 of 147 (167474)
12-12-2004 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Buzsaw
12-12-2004 5:50 PM


Re: Batter up!
This is getting stupid - tackling this on the science front is out because we are told by admin that: a) Buzz gets a special pass because he is slow and b) because it is not meant to be a science thread (which doesn't stop buzz ranting like he is discussing science).
Why on the evidence of this thread alone is buzz not in bootcamp?
I'm done with this charade of a debate.

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NosyNed
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Message 120 of 147 (167488)
12-12-2004 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Buzsaw
12-12-2004 5:38 PM


Re: On topic.
Buz, you have provided jack squat!
You were allowed this topic, you chose it. Now, again, you wish to run for cover when things get a bit hot. Why don't you get it? You know nothing about the sciences. You are not competant to discuss these issues.

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