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dpardo Inactive Member |
The fig tree incident is an excellent visual aid.
"While there were occasional periods of spiritual revival among the Hebrews (as in the days of Josiah, a good king - see 2 Kgs. 22-23), the tragic fact is, the nation was on a gradual, degenerative slide — a path of apostasy that would culminate with the blood-thirsty cry, Crucify him! Crucify him! (Lk. 23:21). The Jewish people, through the influence they exerted upon the Roman authorities (see Mt. 20:19; Acts 2:23), had Jesus killed. They murdered the very Messiah for whom they had waited across the centuries (see Mt. 21:33ff). Though they had enjoyed every conceivable spiritual advantage, they had become, for the most part, an utterly renegade nation. Wayne Jackson, Christiancourier.com
In the symbolism of the Scriptures, a fruitless, withered tree was worthy of nothing more than being cut down (cf. Psa. 90:6; Hos. 9:16). Withering was a symbol of imminent death (Joel 1:12). In the blasting of this fruitless fig tree, the Son of God was suggesting this:
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Hi Rrhain,
Rrhain writes: "Why do you think he made a covenant with Noah after the flood never to flood the earth again? Because he made a mistake. He did something wrong. In fact, the entire reason that god flooded the world was because he realized he made a mistake: Genesis 6:6: And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Why would god repent if he hadn't sinned?" The phrase "it repented the LORD" as used in this context conveys the idea that he regretted making man on the earth. Genesis 6:12 says:
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth." You are interpreting man's decisions to be God's mistake?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Rrhain writes: "In fact, if you read the creation stories of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2, you can see a shift in the personality of god. In Gen 1, god is perfect, makes no mistakes, and everything is good. But in Gen 2, god is continually backing up and correcting for things that were done incompletely and incorrectly. For the first time, we hear god say, "It is not good" (in reference to man being alone). Why is man alone if it is not good? Wouldn't god always do good? After all, in Gen 1, god had the sense to create male and female together at the same time." I'm not sure if you are of the opinion that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 give conflicting accounts of God's creation of Adam and Eve. I sense that from your statement above. If I am wrong, I apologize. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 do not conflict. Genesis 1 simply states that they were created. Genesis 2 gives the details of their creation.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Rrhain writes: "God made man and could easily have made man to be better." How so?
"So which is it? Do male humans come after the animals as Gen 1 specifically details or before as Gen 2 claims?" Genesis 1 gives the chronology of events. Genesis 2 gives the other details. The fact that Genesis 2 restates that things were created doesn't mean they are being created again.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Hi Rrhain,
I think we may be talking about two different things here when we say God is unchanging. Are you referring to his character or whether or not he can change his mind? There are a few examples I can think of where God has planned to punish an individual or a group but, "changes his mind", because he/they repent of their sins. Did he change his mind, as we understand the phrase, or did he simply have two (or more) courses of action planned depending on what the individual/group did?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Hi ramoss,
ramoss writes: "Was killing all those people in sodom and Gomorria good? Was the alleged event of the flood good? If so, why was it good?" From the perspective that God justly punishes the wicked, sometimes severely, it is good. Is justice good?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Hi Rrhain,
Rrhain writes: If the flood was good, why did god repent after he did it, admit it was wicked... Can you please post the verses in Genesis that support this so that we can examine them?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Hi Rrhain,
I did not see support for your statement that God admitted it was wicked. Instead of posting an army of verses that do not support your statement, can you actually post a verse that does?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Hi Rrhain,
You wrote:
Because god goes on and on and on when he repents. What is the point of the rainbow? Why on earth would god make a promise to never, ever do it again? If killing everything on earth is not wicked, why would god proclaim that it is off limits? Why on earth would god care what humans thought if it weren't wicked? Why form a covenant with humans to never, ever do it again if everyone agreed it needed to be done and was a good thing to do? You seem to be saying that unless the Bible has a verse saying, "I, the lord, your god, being of sound mind and body, do solmenly swear that my actions were wicked," then it doesn't count. Ahhh. Now I understand you. You are saying that God's words imply that he admitted it was wicked. Is this correct?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Rrhain writes: Fine...will you accept that god's direct statement that he is the source of all evil? Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. What an incredibly fascinating statement. I think this would be an excellent thread on it's own. Would you like to start a new thread with this statement in the topic?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
If it's alright with you, I'd like to address each one of your quotes in Message 128 individually rather than create a very long post.
Please give me some time here.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Hi Rrhain!
You wrote:
Genesis 6:6: And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. The term "repented" as used in this verse means regretted. Man had corrupted God's way on the earth and the thoughts of man were evil continuously.
Exodus 32:14: And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Here, the term "repented" means changed his mind. God had planned to punish the people but he changed his mind. Moses petitioned to God to spare the people- a good example that God indeed does listen to prayers and petitions.
1 Samuel 15:10: Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying, 15:11: It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night. 1 Samuel 15:35: And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel. Once again, here the term "repenteth", as used in these verses, means regretted. I will break here but I will return later.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
I am not changing the meaning of the words.
The meaning of the words should be interpreted within the context of the verses. The verses themselves should be interpreted within the context of the chapters. Finally, the chapters should be interpreted within the context of all scripture.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
I believe the term used to describe taking quotes out of context is called "quote mining".
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Pink Sasquatch writes: But in the Bible He goes back on his word, by commanding people to violate His commandments. Where in the bible does God do this?
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