A question that was first presented by Socrates.

Only one is good - God.God is good, God in times past might have commanded that which is right for those of whom he judges. If man sins and does wrong/evil, God has in times past visited the evil of his doings. But now, we have the law of the spirit of life, this is the New Testament, that we do good, not right. That we love our enemy, rather than hate him, that we turn our other cheek BECAUSE God has been good, and could have done right with us. Yet I suppose it might be right that a violent man is imprisoned and unforgiven, likewise, with our sin it would also be right that we perish, but God has been good, and that is why we perish not and must also be good, because of Christ.God is always right and always good, and all his plans are just.

I don't know if we agree, we shall see. God is good. Good is from God, because God created all things, he rejected the evil and chose the good. He is the light, and he is the only one who is good.Him that is wicked, in times past God has visited those sins upon him. Oh if only they had only hearkened unto God's commandments, then their peace would have been as a river.All good things are from God. Every true gift comes down from heaven - even the free gift of life.

No Loudmouth, the change isn't in God. God was always good, if he chose to punish the dispicably wicked, like for example " the wicked will perish " - that won't be a good thing to God - He will "visit the evil of YOUR doings" (not God's doings) if God says "Oh if thou hadst only hearkened unto my commandments, then thy peace would have been as a river ", then isn't it apparent that God regrets the evil of human being's doings??. The problem is that the world is teaching you to hate God, by trying to show him as evil in the OT, rather than showing you how God really feels. INDEED he is sorrowful, that they preferred evil and sin rather than good. But the world teaches you that the evil is from God, this is a terrible voice you listen to, who tries to get you to see God as the evil, when the real enemy - he came to cast out.Are you saying it is wrong that the wicked are punished>? Even your world punishes the wicked.Yet, the OT - as I said, was in "times passed", now we see that God has been good, even to the sinful as everyone is, and so - we must be good.There is no removing wht Christ did and said, yet you say; No. God is justice, God will repay - but rather God says turn the other cheek, bless those that curse you. Because God has been good, we now must be good, and do good rather than right.Christ taught peace, and gave us the choice to believe or not. That gives us NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to judge others, if they don't believe.Christ said forgive because God has forgiven.Using the OT against us is the wrongful use of scripture, and teaches nothing - even now we have the law of the spirit of life, not the law of sin and death like in the OT.

For to be carnally minded is death; But to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against GodIt is only a carnal mind that can say, " Even when he commits sin? ". God hasn't sinned, humans have. Is it not lawful for God to do what he will with his own? Is his eye evil, because he is good?Now in my previous messages, I said that the punishment of the wicked for their evil, is justified by God's righteouss anger.You being not of the spirit, will have it that God is guilty, rather than men.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-26-2004 01:43 PM

I assume you are a witness of God killing someone by saying this?Also, a sin is something done against God.God has been killed, for humans, for their sins. Yes, he took the punishment of those who should have been punished. Who are you that you can tell God he is sinful? - can you then throw God into jail? Can you bind him and take him to hell? Oh arrogant men of carnal thought, how long will God suffer your tongues against him? Can you change reality? Can you make it so that you can judge and condemn God? How long does this futile show of puny dust last? Like the grass that withers - so does man, and all his sayings thereof - but Christ's words shall never pass.

The bible also claims that which I quoted about the carnal mind. Infact, that is a reason that we ALL THE MORE cannot judge God, because we sinned against him, eating of that tree --> ACCORDING to the bible. Also, are knowlege of good and evil is not equal to God, there is none else beside him. His thouhts are higher than ours, Isaiah.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-26-2004 02:27 PM

Nice try, but God's example is Christ - a life without sin.

Sin doesn't matter? And you expect me to think you have the interpretation thereof? Our whole faith is because of forgiveness of sins. THAT is biblical. My interpretation? I don't have one. The spirit of prophecy is that the Holy SPirit prophecies through men, and interpretation is from the Spirit. But let's see what God says, and whether he thinks you - the carnal man, have the correct interpretation thereof; Woe unto him that striveth with his maker....Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou?Are not you also saying that God doesn't exist? So you think God's thoughts are equal to ours and God says the same? Let's see what he says; For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughtsShut up your ears real tight Crash, and curse at me.More concerning the carnal man, you; For to be carnally minded is death; But to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against GodYou are against God - even he says it! And you say that those with the Spirit don't have the interpretation?This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-26-2004 02:53 PM

You have ignored my Biblical quotes. It is carnal thought to think you are equal to God, and the bible says you are not. Nor will you ever be.Yes, I agree with Genesis, just not you;" Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; "Likewise, Einstein knows good and evil like Mike, but is Einsteins thought higher than Mike's? Silence please - I really want to hear Crash's answer.Just because we are as God, in that we know good and evil, it doesn't mean we are equal to him in our knowledge of it. It just means that like him, we know good and evil,. but we certainly can see, that God's knowledge in any subject, would far outdo ours, like that BIBLICAL quote I provided --> SAID.Likewise, if I get a motorbike, 100cc, then mike has become like a 500cc bike rider - being able to ride fast and slow, but does that mean I have the same velocity as the 500cc rider? I trow not. No thanks man of carnal interpretations. Even satan tempted Christ.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-26-2004 03:02 PM

ALL these sayings are biblically based Crash, even you can trace them yourself, yet you make out that a carnal mind has the interpretation thereof, despite your interpretations being of the world, and of your own thoughts.But the bible speaks against you completely, and all my posts are littered with it's teachings, and you may even unwittingly read. And your audacity is to say that God agrees with you, a carnal man, who says God doesn't exist, and that you are equal to him. Despite him saying you know only that of the world and the natural - BECAUSE YOU ARE THE NATURAL MAN according to the BIBLE> duh!And now you say my bible quotes are not like yours. That's the lamest argument I've ever heard on this site. We can all see your Genesis quote, but I'm afraid repeating it's interpretation according to Crash doesn't trump my analogy. I can ride fast and slow as a 500cc rider can, but is my velocity the same as his? Or is his higher? Answer the question.Also, the bible quotes where from Isaiah, whom had the Holy Spirit of God. Didn't you know? We count all the bible as God's word, not just the quotes that suit Crash's argument.Einstein said that before God, we are equally wise and foolish. But he doesn't say that we are equal to God If we are equal to God in good and evil, why do we disagree about him being good and evil, concerning his biblical acts? Which one of us has the knowledge that correlates with Gods? Our disagreemant shows that our knowledge differs, that one of us must be wrong, and therefore - man in general, cannot be equal to God, logically.Who is equal, you or me? If we disagree, then we obviously logically rule out the possibility of being on par with God.

So am I. Infact, if Moses writes what God says, and Isaiah writes what God says, why is only Moses right according to Crash? Why? Because Crash has ignored the quote I provided from Isaiah, saying that God's thoughts are higher than ours. But let's see if God says we are equal to him in the knowledge of good and evil; Erm, yes - I agree God, we know good and we know evil, but does that mean we are equal in our knowledge of it to God? Where exactly does it say we are equal Crash?Now Christ says only one is good, God. So, how can you be biblically accurate by saying; " therefore, God must be capable of error in regards to good and evil. "So, I either believe Christ, who says our Father in heaven is perfect, and [the only] good one, or I believe Crash who says; Well, let me se, shall I just repeat what God says about you; Woe unto him that striveth with his maker....Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou?For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughtsFor to be carnally minded is death; But to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against GodFurthermore, how can anyone who doesn't even believe in God, think he has the interpretation from Jews who did believe? They themselves wrote the OT, and it says those things also about God's thoughts being higher. So, the bible certainly disagrees with you, but I'll repeat it just incase you miss it again: For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughtsSo there it is, Christ - Moses and Isaiah, all agree that God is higher, and that he is good [only him]. How can you still say you have the biblical interpretation when Isaiah and Christ both say God is higher and perfect and [the only] good one?I can ride fast and slow as a 500cc rider can, but is my velocity the same as his? Or is his higher? Answer the question.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-26-2004 07:15 PM

God says woe unto him who has good for evil and evil for good.I suggest you don't have the [only good] as evil to your mind.

God is good, every good gift comes down from heaven.I suggest that the wicked will receive the fruit of THEIR doings.God is good, and what he tells us is good because he is God and because he only is [good]. According to Christ.

Instead of quote mining, you should read Isaiah. God makes peace for a reason, as explained, and creates evil, the fruit of the wicked's doing. Infact, the OT is the law of sin and death.You quoted;" : And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. "But did you show why God was upset and done the thing?Here's the part you missed, and the bible teaches that evil is the fruit of the wicked;Genesis 6:5 " And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that EVERY imagination of the thoughts of his heart was ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY " - The punishment of sin is death, as I previously said (and you ignored) - God is right, yes - and the law of sin and death is to expose sin, - and also God is merciful and it sorrows him that men are so wicked.Exodus 32:7: - (Again, you have not informed us of what man was up to.) " And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; For thy people which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, HAVE CORRUPTED THEMSELVES ". God only turns because Moses mentions Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - it doesn't mean that God is not right, it means that God for Abraham's sake - remember's his covenant. Well, I agree with Christ - that only one is good [that is] God. Well, let's examone what I said and see if it correlates with the first half of this post;" Now in my previous messages, I said that the punishment of the wicked for their evil, is justified by God's righteouss anger. "No, I don't think morality is relative or that God sins or he is fickle, quite clearly man is the problem as there is always a reason for God's wrath - which is man's wickedness.God's intentions were always good, from the beginning it shows this. But human's have strived against his will. God is good, and if he repents, it's because of the evil of man. Yes, you have shown that God takes the blame for man, which also correlates with the NT - Christ, the just - taking our punishment. Did you do this unwittingly?

Now you're just being silly Rrhain, God said in the OT " Do no murder " and Christ says to love your enemy, so why would God turn back on his infinite goodness? Christ shown us what to do - and spread peaceful teachings. God only commands good - man fails all by himself.