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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 301 of 355 (120414)
06-30-2004 2:39 PM


Take Debate to Jar's Topic
We are at 300.
I suggest we all just pick up and continue in Jar's topic that bears my name.

Percy
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Message 302 of 355 (120417)
06-30-2004 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Cold Foreign Object
06-30-2004 2:22 PM


WillowTree writes:
I do not understand, not because of you or the content, but because of my poor math skills.
All it's saying is that the radius of a circle through the points of triangle ABC is 3.7 miles. That's several orders of magnitude smaller than 2000 miles, which is half the earth's radius. I think it would be a good idea for someone to independently look up the figures and do the math.
Message 289 shows this ariel photo of the Great Pyramid indicating that the faces are not curves anyway:
These points are in rebuttal to your Message 284:
When modern scientific measurements were produced it was found that the Pyramid's sides are slightly curved/concave. If you extend the circle of this curvature until it encloses, then double it, you have got the exact circumference of the Earth. This wonder was deduced from the casing stones still intact and the concave sides.
But the Great Pyramid's sides are not curved, but flat and 8-sided. The radius of the circle inscribed on the triangle formed by the discontinuity is a few miles, not a few thousand miles.
--Percy

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Message 303 of 355 (120422)
06-30-2004 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Cold Foreign Object
06-30-2004 2:29 PM


Re: WILLOWTREE's consistency
WillowTree writes:
I said "slight concavity", it is very amateurish to even think you can refute by a picture.
This is right up there with your "you can't use the metric system to measure the Great Pyramid" stance.
I will find supporting evidence for my assertion on the Net - be right back.
You're going to find evidence against a photograph?
--Percy

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Message 304 of 355 (120428)
06-30-2004 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 300 by Cold Foreign Object
06-30-2004 2:37 PM


You need to catch up a bit.
We are still waiting for your calculations on the meridian length. It is not even clear that your source has the location of the pyramid right.
There are a number of questions on the measurement of the height.
You now admit that you don't even understand the radius calculations (for the earths radius).
I'm sure I've missed some. Aren't you beginning to wonder about the quality of your source yet?

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Message 305 of 355 (120429)
06-30-2004 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Cold Foreign Object
06-28-2004 6:34 PM


Re: Location, Location, Location...
WT writes:
You are asserting that the mile difference has my sources wrong and that your saying so makes it so.
Not just my say so - I gave you a link to Terraserver, did you check it?
Anyway, I've measured a couple of land meridians for you, one through the pyramid and one 331 miles west of the pyramid. You can see the data here, but the result is that the pyramid meridian is shorter by 384 miles. I don't expect you to take my word for it, but I've given you the data so you can either ignore it or have it checked. Do your sources supply any data for this particular claim?

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Message 306 of 355 (120434)
06-30-2004 3:21 PM


Deal With It
From: The Bible UFO Connection
A practical look at the scenario as speculated by Herodotus, is only fair, at least for the sake of objectivity. Herodotus used the 20-year time frame. Since we are told that the laborers were either slaves or fanatically dedicated to a god king we must therefore assume the crews were forging ahead with all possible speed. Dawn to dusk is a good brisk pace and only logical considering the absence of light during the other 12 hours. So let us assume they worked 12 hours a day. To assume that they worked 365 days a year for twenty years straight in a super-heavy construction environment is really stretching it. Floods, storms, (both water and dust varieties), earthquakes, and holidays (certainly Khufu had his share) would take their toll on progress. Even modern building projects have their share of construction delays. Every thing factored in and with good luck a year round average of 6 full days a week is a reasonable number for
Here’s the formula:
2,500,000 blocks divided by 20 years = 125,000 blocks per year.
125,000 blocks divided by 312 days per year = 400 blocks per day.
400 blocks divided by 12 hours per day = 33+ blocks per hour.
33 blocks per hour = 1 block bonded perfectly in place in less than two minutes.
And placing the blocks in the precise position was not the only task. Each block weighing at least a ton was cut from a quarry using primitive tools, at best. But right there we run into a serious snag. They had no tools capable of cutting stone almost perfectly square and in the case of the outer blocks to fit a curved pattern especially to tolerances from .02 to .002 of an inch. To date no tools made form materials capable of cutting even the softest of stones used in the structure have ever been found and history tells us such technology did not exist. The only tools the "experts" claim they used were made of copper and bronze, metals that cannot cut stone. A modern carpentry saw is much harder than any metal the indigenous peoples of Egypt possessed yet such a saw could not stand up to the simple task of cutting a small red brick and could only scratch granite.
Each of the 2.5 million blocks was transported 10 to 600 miles to the building site using no wheels, over forbidding terrain that would give a tank a run for its money. Since the closest quarries are 10 miles away and no stones weighed less than a ton the transporting of this volume of material over rough terrain was totally impractical and beyond realistic. Trees were a limited commodity in Egypt and then mainly palm trees, which would be useless for construction purposes. The closest usable trees were hundreds of miles away and would have taken a virtual armada of cargo vessels and a massive transportation network just to keep the wood supply flowing. This fleet would be larger than all the sailing craft Egypt possessed in it’s entire early history.
Thirteen billion pounds of massive blocks had to be floated across the Nile River against a powerful downstream current in all conditions on barges bigger than those we have today with no power. One of the serious questions posed is whether it was humanly possible to transport any of these massive stones across the Nile at all. There is no evidence that we can build barges today that are large enough to float such tremendous weight in such shallow environs. Each block was loaded on and off those barges without sinking them and with no cranes or winches. Some of the blocks weighed in at 150,000 pounds or the weight of a modern locomotive. They had to be lifted up in the air, dropped on a barge, and then lifted off the barge across the river. There is no evidence of the materials, lifting mechanisms, or navigation techniques that would be essential to such a massive marine operation. And there is no evidence that such technology existed in this society that was in a primitive state at best.
Every piece was dragged uphill to 400 feet above river level and pushed or pulled up a 50-degree incline. The orthodox explanation of how this was done involves the use of ramps. Ramps might be the answer for at least this part of these feats of wonder that these primitive builders supposedly easily accomplished except for two problems. First Danish engineer, P. Garde-Hanson, proposed that such a ramp would require 600 million cubic feet of material, this representing more than seven times the amount of material in the pyramid itself. Secondly these imaginary ramps had to be removed, meaning that the material used for the ramps had to be put somewhere. If such a pile were flattened out to a level of one foot it would spread out over an area of over twenty square miles. It has never been found and this much material simply cannot be hidden. Ramps were not used.
Each component was then placed and cemented perfectly next to its neighboring blocks 1/50 of an inch away. But not just jostling into place. The stones were not chipped or gouged even on the corners which defies the reality that orthodox methods of placement present. Dragging, rolling, levering, and hoisting with unsophisticated equipment and primitive tools would doubtless leave considerable damage on such finely cut surfaces. Which means that the indigenous peoples of 2500 BC did not place these blocks. Not to mention that the material they used to cement the blocks is of unknown origin.
And finally the most incredible feat each massive block was tailored from the beginning to fit exactly into a 2.5 million piece, 481 foot high, 90 million cubic foot, 13 billion pound, absolutely baffling, and amazingly accurate puzzle. Each one of the above feats is a monumental technological accomplishment in its own right. It is safe to say that even using the best technology and equipment available today that the Herodotus theory is impossible. For the modern day orthodox pyramidologists to so readily accept and authoritatively teach this as doctrine is illogical. So why teach it? Perhaps they feel that spouting impractical theories is preferable to admitting ignorance. Do they have the ivory tower complex and feel that the unworthy masses don’t deserve the truth. Whatever the reason it is wrong and they are wrong for teaching a ridiculous and downright laughable theory as truth.
THE INEVITABLE CONCLUSION
It is safe to say that just this cursory view of the Great Pyramid brings the fanatically accepted and widely disseminated orthodox doctrines of human builders into serious doubt. With blustery pomposity and callous disregard for glaring contradictions to their antiquated theories they draw a shadowy veil over the world’s largest enigma. And this is more serious than overprotective academic snobbery. This is the largest and possibly oldest building on earth. Considering the incredible engineering in this structure it makes no sense to tout a millenniums old hypothesis. Many attempts have been made to try and duplicate the original builder’s mysterious construction methods and have proven nothing. What is telling have been attempts recently to just move some of the blocks in the structure for renovation purposes. The blocks could not be shifted by any conventional techniques and had to be broken up into smaller pieces just to move them. Demolition would be out of the question. So what kind of an ego could insist that technologically ancient man could have built such a wonder when modern space age man can’t even tear it down? No, men did not build the Great Pyramid. Someone or something with knowledge and tools far beyond our understanding built it. All the doctorates, titles, publishing credits, and institutions in the world cannot and will not change that fact.

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Message 307 of 355 (120438)
06-30-2004 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by Lindum
06-30-2004 3:09 PM


Re: Location, Location, Location...
Lindum:
What is your point ?
You have said we are a mile apart. I will stick with my sources as being correct.
I don't have a problem with "taking your word" on it.
Your investigation equates to less than a mile difference.
I have already said that my sources say that this close proximity cannot be refuted either way.
This means other people will come up with a location slightly different as you have.
I will side with my sources based on their honesty to admit that other calulations that slightly disagree cannot be refuted and neither can theirs. But when you account for all their other claims and the evidence thereof this becomes a preponderance to side with the Ph.D's and their evidence.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 308 of 355 (120444)
06-30-2004 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Cold Foreign Object
06-30-2004 3:21 PM


Re: Deal With It
THE INEVITABLE CONCLUSION
Inevitable? Really? That's not very scientific....
Anyway, would you please comment on why erosion to the pyramid only occurred AFTER recent vandalism?
Why/how was the pyramid weather-proof and erosion-proof for centuries?

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Message 309 of 355 (120446)
06-30-2004 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 303 by Percy
06-30-2004 2:49 PM


Re: WILLOWTREE's consistency
So you are retreating into deliberate ignorance concerning the metric system ?
I have wiped the floor with that nonsense. Once again, you are just ignoring all the evidence which is the m.o. for all opponents in this issue since modern science started examining the Pyramid.
You and Ned's fish eye picture - don't get mad at me for your embarrassing grade school "evidence".
It took me two seconds to find these sites which back my claim about the Pyramid and the Earth's curvature.
http://www.crystalinks.com/gpstats.html
http://users.bigpond.net.au/turtle/pyramid/pyramid.html
Dr. Capt says the same thing on page 62 of his book "Great Pyramid Decoded"
Edit: The whole point of your point is to say "if we can't see it then it aint true " Now how much sense does that make ?
This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 06-30-2004 03:00 PM

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Message 310 of 355 (120451)
06-30-2004 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 308 by pink sasquatch
06-30-2004 3:49 PM


Re: Deal With It
It is logical to deduce that the vandalism enabled weather to take a toll and add to the damage.

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Message 311 of 355 (120463)
06-30-2004 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by Cold Foreign Object
06-30-2004 3:50 PM


Re: WILLOWTREE's consistency
Reviewed your links. Both of them only assert that the curvature of the faces matches the curvature of the earth.
They do not show how this is derived. At this point it starts to become reasonable to assume that they only assert this. They have no more backup than any of your other sources.
You are trying to use numerical values. These involved math. It is necessary to show your calculations as part of your back up. You have yet to do this for your assertions.
We now have two independent measurements of another meridian longer than the one the pyramid is on. You have supplied nothing on this.
So you are retreating into deliberate ignorance concerning the metric system ?
I have wiped the floor with that nonsense. Once again, you are just ignoring all the evidence which is the m.o. for all opponents in this issue since modern science started examining the Pyramid.
I don't remember you commenting on this at all. All anyone has said is that it does NOT matter what unit of measurement you use. They are all simply convertable one to any other. Is there anything else that has been said? What in the world is your problem with this?
Is it actually possible that you don't understand this simple fact about different units of measure?

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pink sasquatch
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Message 312 of 355 (120470)
06-30-2004 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by Cold Foreign Object
06-30-2004 3:53 PM


sphinx nose
It is logical to deduce that the vandalism enabled weather to take a toll and add to the damage.
Perhaps, if you mean that vandalism allowed the erosion to acclerate. However, if you are stating that no erosion occurred in the centuries prior to vandalism, I'll need some evidence, because that it is a bold assertion.
It is logical that any stone structure exposed to the weather for centuries will undergo some degree of weather-related damage. Do you disagree?

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Message 313 of 355 (120477)
06-30-2004 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 304 by NosyNed
06-30-2004 3:09 PM


Re: You need to catch up a bit.
quote:
ADMIN NOSY to Darkstar: Then one suggestion for improvement would be a reduction in the apparent arrogance. When you are neither a scientist or a theologian and when it is clear you have a limited knowledge of the science involved you should remember to show a bit of humility when posting.
This is the exact problem with your presence in this topic. I tread lightly in archaeology and science but you do such thing in a subject you probably never even heard of until I created the topic.

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Message 314 of 355 (120480)
06-30-2004 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 311 by NosyNed
06-30-2004 4:41 PM


Re: WILLOWTREE's consistency
quote:
Reviewed your links. Both of them only assert that the curvature of the faces matches the curvature of the earth.
They do not show how this is derived. At this point it starts to become reasonable to assume that they only assert this. They have no more backup than any of your other sources.
I have admitted that it is an assertion, how could you miss that ?
Then I posted 2 links and the Dr. Capt (page 62) source cite. I also said I would back up the assertion with the primary evidence ASAP.
These things must have gotten by you.
Regarding the metric system see post #258.

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Message 315 of 355 (120484)
06-30-2004 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by Cold Foreign Object
06-30-2004 5:43 PM


a quick question...
...for WILLOWTREE:
Do you understand that:
1/25 sacred cubit = 1 sacred inch = 1.001064 British inch = 0.025427 meters
???

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