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MUTTY6969
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Message 37 of 241 (328390)
07-03-2006 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Rob
07-02-2006 1:16 AM


Oh great another behind the scene email...you did this with me a couple weeks ago and as I recall nothing came of it except long winded preaching and quote posting of other philosophical nonsense.
One can only guess what you think of the gay issue.

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MUTTY6969
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Posts: 65
From: ARIZONA
Joined: 05-20-2006


Message 39 of 241 (328394)
07-03-2006 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by riVeRraT
07-03-2006 1:06 AM


An atheistic view does not equal a social and moral breakdown...
quote from creationtheory.org
The world has many religions. If there is no morality without God, then should we believe that morality doesn't exist in any part of the world until it converts to Judaism or one of its offshoots? The ancient Chinese religious triumvirate of Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism wasn't based on Christianity. The Greeks had democracy, civilization, philosophy, and science long before Jesus was born. The Egyptians built a thriving civilization more than four thousand years ago. The Romans built an Empire without any help from Jesus or his God. Tribes and civilizations flourished throughout Africa, Australia, South America, North America, and islands all over the Pacific Ocean. All these places had different religions, different customs, different languages ... but they still shared certain moral concepts. Murder was considered immoral. Theft was considered immoral in all societies too large to function as tribal collectives. It was considered noble to help another, and contemptible to hurt others for the sake of personal gain. Honesty was praised. Deception and betrayal were vilified. Governments and gods didn't always obey these laws, but philosophers in all these places somehow found a way to come to similar conclusions. The question that fundamentalists ignore is: if morality flows from God and God alone, then how did this happen? Given the enormous differences in religious beliefs between all these cultures, how did people independently arrive at similar conclusions all over the world, with regard to murder, betrayal, theft, and altruism? Could there (gasp!) be a moral standard out there which doesn't require God?
As this alludes to I don’t think you can say-
believing in god = good morals,
being atheist = immoral.

"On the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the Earth."
” President George W. Bush, a born-again Christian

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MUTTY6969
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Message 119 of 241 (328862)
07-04-2006 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Larni
07-04-2006 10:27 AM


Re: Me too
Well at least he spared you....I got two very off the wall emails that made little sense.
I don’t think he realizes that if one view’s the bible as just another book and nothing more then all the quote posting in the world isn’t going to strengthen his argument.
Off topic. Do not respond.
Edited by AdminNWR, : off topic

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MUTTY6969
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Message 206 of 241 (332124)
07-16-2006 12:51 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by rgb
07-15-2006 11:21 PM


Yes, I agree, the gay issue does pose a problem for most Christians...
What country are you referring to?

"The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals. And one such goal is a democracy in Germany." ”George W. Bush, D.C., May 5, 2006

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MUTTY6969
Member (Idle past 6219 days)
Posts: 65
From: ARIZONA
Joined: 05-20-2006


Message 208 of 241 (332129)
07-16-2006 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by rgb
07-16-2006 12:58 AM


Still not sure? I don’t mean to pry, just curious.

"The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals. And one such goal is a democracy in Germany." ”George W. Bush, D.C., May 5, 2006

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