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Author Topic:   Why must we believe *before* we die?
Ben!
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Message 103 of 302 (247706)
09-30-2005 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
09-30-2005 7:24 AM


Re: Dissolving in Ocean vs Living in Heaven
Does anyone truly seek self-annihilation?
Honestly, I think in some sense everybody does. I would submit that happiness is often that moment when we "lose ourselves" and become "engrossed" in what we're doing. Great climbers love climbing, because they "lose themselves" in the climbing, they have to give "100% concentration". Same with baseball. Same with chess, etc etc.
Annihiliating the "self" doesn't mean losing experience; it means changing the fundamental way "you" view life and the world. (I think)
Isn't that just contrary to the way we are made?
I think clearly the fact that some people can do it, be so peaceful and in control, is an interesting reason to honestly and openly try to answer this question. Not just by thinking, but by attempting--by doing. It's one of those things that don't happen by thinking about it--you have to do it.
Of course there are suicides but that's not exactly a positive motivation.
I think if you're equating self-annihilation in the Buddhist sense to suicide, you don't have any concept of what it is to lose self-conscious and still live. Or to lose the function of discrimination of objects. It's not a swipe at you. But I think this comment suggests that.
I think it's really worthwhile to investigate. Even just to find out more about how people work.
Ben
P.S. I didn't read all previous posts; I'm jumping with no holds barred

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