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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
I think we can say with pretty good confidence that there weren't any dinosaurs in the bible times.
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
To believe that the Hebrew Mythos relates to Dinosaurian creatures, which according to evolutionary science existed some 65 million years ago, takes a great deal of faith.
I find it improbable that the legendary Noah was able to gather Dinosaurs and put them in his Ark, considering the theory that these "Terrible Lizards" died out some 65 million years ago, and the flood was thought to have happened some 4,000 or more years ago. We have a time difference of 65 million years. (Someone's time scale is messed up). I think the Behemoth mentioned in the book of Job is nothing more than some local animal that was around during those days, such as the crocodile, or Hippo etc. I am open to the idea that Dinosaurs could have given rise to legends of Dragons and monsters when their bones were unearthed.
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
Well said.
Now I don't mean for this to downgrade anyone's faith, because I am a Christian myself, but to suggest that the bible mentions actual dinosaurs in the instance of the book of Job would require us to believe that they existed during those times, yet we have absolutely no record of anatomicaly correct dinosaurs in ancient near-east history. The closest thing that comes to dinosaurs would be Dragons and sea serpents which are mentioned in the bible many times, aswell as many ancient mythologies. The belief in Dragons and sea-serpents odviously tells us that people back then often believed in these fantastic beings, either from the inspiration of seeing whales, sharks, octopus etc. or form finding the skeletons of dinosaurs and extinct sea creatures.
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
Good reserach Yaro.
This is good valication that the bible has irrifutible mythological ties.
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
"plenty of mammals lay egges."
I have a problem with that. There are a few mammals (the monotremes) that lay eggs.
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
I was always under the impression that Dinosaurs were reptiles.
Are scientists devided on this issue to this day? or is it a thing of the past?
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
Thanks for the link sidelined.
Buzsaw, I understand you believe that Dinosaurs were around during the antediluvian time, but has there really been any genuine hard evidence that supprorts the notion of man and Dinosaurs existence?
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
I respect that.
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
This isn't a serious argument is it?
Let's face the facts. The Behemoth of old testament times was a discription of something either mythological or perhaps a water bull (hippo). I don't believe that it can be set in stone that the dinosaurs died 65 million years ago. They may have been much more recent. But We simply do not have the hard evidence they existed with men in ancient times. The Paluxy tracks were hoaxes. The Ica stones are hoaxes. Some of the woven materiels from central america do contain dinosaurian figures, but they can easily be attributed to other animals. The many petroglyphs of alleged dinosaurs made by Indians cannot be proven authentic. We just don't have the same geological age of dino's and men together - unlike mammoth bones which do show human involvement. Unless someone one day finds other evidence, I am convinced the Dinosaurs lived before man. Thus Job saw an Elephant, er, Hippopotamus.
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
The idea that the Behemoth's tail like a cedar refers to an elephant's erection is very funny. It certainly wasn't a tail if that were the case.
Neither hippo's or Elephants have tails like ceders. But they both do play and inhabit the water. What sort of animal described in the book of Job would live near the Jordan river, or atleast the vicinity of Palestine and Egypt contemporary with man? Hippos are now extinct in Egypt but, they were common in the biblical times. Maybe they lived as far north as Palestine, hence Job's description of them? We know that Lions lived in parts of Europe as recently as 100 AD, and still existed in Palestine till the early 1900's. Maybe Hippo's inhabited the Jordan also?
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
Who knows, maybe the chroniclers of Job had a sense of pius humor concerning the Erectine Elephants...
The Behemoth doesn't really match an Elephant or a Hippo in every specific detail unfortunately. It's the tail which discounts them both. According to the details given, it sounds much more like a creature with a long tail(duh). A "Cedar" like tail. Cedar is a figurative sense of measurement of course. The Cedar Job refers to, is most likely the "Cedar of Lebanon" which grows between 40 and 120ft tall in the middle-east. If we read the scriptures to the most literal sense as many fundi-creationists do, then the Behemoth has a tail which is in the neighborhood of 40-120ft long. If we apply that same literalist view to Amos 2:9, then the bible tells us the "Amorite" (possibly of King Og fame, Deut:3)was between 40 and 120 feet of height. Amos 2:9 "Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath" I beleive that the Behemoth is most likely a mythological creature. Yes, I guess some saurapods had tails that were between 40-120ft long, but I would sooner believe in walking trees than dinosaurs and mankind living together.
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
I agree. Something living had to have captivated the author.
But it is true that the fossils of extinct pre-historic mammals have given rise to various spactacular legends.The Greeks, Native Americans etc. most likely found these bones and came up with myths to try and explain them. The Behemoth and Leviathan described by Job seem to be the Hippo, and Crocodile.
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